[identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com 2011-05-13 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
So replace "Alz victim" with "forgetful" to avoid offense. The fact is still people on Fox News do lie. They say things they know are lies and they lie by omission. How is it wrong to call them out on that and attack their credibility and the credibility of those who think they are a valid news source?

Would this be less offensive, "Saying 'I heard it on Fox News' is like saying 'I have no ability to distinguish between truth and propaganda'." or 'I heard it from a child throwing a temper tantrum'?
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[identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com 2011-05-13 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Offensive is just the icing on the cake. The point is to look at the actions, not the entity in question - to avoid *fallacy*, not offense. (Besides, you can't avoid offense. The trick is to avoid being *unintentionally* offensive.)

I think Tom has it right. Saying "LIAR" or even "childish" without citation crosses the line.

Truthfully, the metafallacy here is negativity; it's precisely what Keith was referring to. The individual in question is demonizing Fox News. What we want to do is accentuate the positive.

Peace and Love and Liberty... and Music. -- Bob Marley

(Now, *there's* a tag line.)

[identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com 2011-05-13 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
All right then, how much citation is necessary? You don't want to give too much or else you lose your audience. If you give too little and it crosses the line.

If someone linked to a Fox News artile about climate change, how many examples do you have to give to discredit it?

[identity profile] smparadox.livejournal.com 2011-05-13 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
None, just the link to the Fox News article itself?

It would depend on the content of the article, but off the top of my head, one to three?

[identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com 2011-05-13 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
A good rule of thumb, that. How does the saying go? Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, thrice is enemy action.
Edited 2011-05-13 19:59 (UTC)