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Date: 2011-04-08 03:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
Transcript?

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Date: 2011-04-08 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com
Glad to know he's still out there, telling it like it is.

What's with this obsession about stopping abortion that they're willing to let the whole nation suffer to get their way. If they're so concerned about fetuses, then they should do more to help those that actually became babies.

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Date: 2011-04-08 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
The anti-abortion movement is not about babies - it never has been. It's their pop-eyed, sweaty hatred of women and their foaming need to control us.

Listen to one of these spokesMEN (and 99.9 times out of 100 it's a man) in the pro-lie movement for more than 5 minutes - especially if he waxes rhapsodic about his plans for the day AFTER Roe v. Wade is overturned. You will hear plans for the U.S. that could only be concocted by someone who beats off in the bathroom while reading The Handmaid's Tale. I truly think that their dream scenario is the repeal of the 19th Amendment.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a job to NOT show up to tomorrow. Federal worker.

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Date: 2011-04-08 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bayushisan.livejournal.com
I have a feeling that the anti-abortion law will be challenged in court and overturned. While I am pro-life I do admit to struggling with the issue of pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. I honestly don't know what the answer is. One part of me agrees that the unborn child is an innocent in the equation, but I also understand that not every woman would make the choice to carry the child to term. It is a hard decision and not one I would wish on anyone.

As for Boehner I too want to know what happened to their platform of jobs, jobs, jobs. It seems like the only things we're getting are anti-abortion laws, defunding of Planned Parenthood, the arts and NPR, and tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. History tells us that during the Bush administration all the tax cuts in the world didn't create jobs.

One can only hope that people will start to wake up and put the people in power that will actually get something done for the little man and not put their all into giving money and tax breaks to multi-billion dollar corporations.

Of course for that to happen we need to somehow overturn the Citizens United ruling.

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Date: 2011-04-08 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemmozine.livejournal.com
Here's my modest proposal for today: pass a federal law defining a crime called economic treason. Some of the violations: huge tax cuts given by politicians to corporations and wealthy individuals who donate campaign money, corporations moving their income made in the US to other countries to dodge US taxes, CEOs and such who engage in fraud, etc. The penalty: public execution, choice of hanging or firing squad. If they give the money back, life breaking rocks in maximum security, with no parole.

Unfortunately, 99.9% of our country's leaders, CEOs, CFOs and so on would be gone, as would nearly all our corporations. Until we are honest enough to admit the reason our economy is failing and we are losing our homes and our jobs while paying more for groceries, taxes and everything is that the entire system is corrupt, things will continue to get worse.

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Date: 2011-04-08 06:50 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cscottd.livejournal.com
If it was really about "the baby", then they wouldn't completely lose interest, as soon as it's born.

I think the real key to what the misleadingly named "pro-life" movement is about shows up in the other things that they're against. Not only are they against abortion, but many of them are also against birth control (which runs totally contrary to any real desire to reduce the number of abortions that are performed) and sex education (which would also help reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies, and thus potentially decrease the need for abortions).

I personally think that it's just part of their ongoing desire to legislate their religious "ideals" of marriage/family. They so desperately want to force the real world to work like their 50's-television fantasies of what a family "should be", that they keep trying to pass laws that will "punish" anyone who fails to "live up" to the fantasy.

In their minds, if you don't teach kids about sex, don't make birth control available (especially to those who aren't married) and make abortions illegal, then somehow magically no one will have sex until they get married... Which is insane. If you don't teach kids about sex and you don't make birth control available, there will be more unplanned pregnancies. And if you make abortions illegal, it won't stop them from being done, it'll just make them much more dangerous, and more women will die.

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Date: 2011-04-08 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mouser.livejournal.com
http://foknewschannel.com/worst-persons-for-april-7/

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Date: 2011-04-08 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maiac.livejournal.com
"What a great, flaming FRAUD you are, John Boehner!"

Words to live by.

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Date: 2011-04-08 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maiac.livejournal.com
"What's with this obsession about stopping abortion that they're willing to let the whole nation suffer to get their way."

They've fixated on abortion as the issue that separates the Godly from the Sinners. As long as they can publicly identify themselves as Godly by making endless gestures opposing abortion, nothing else matters.

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Date: 2011-04-08 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Funny you should mention Citizens United (http://filkertom.livejournal.com/1355204.html)....

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Date: 2011-04-08 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizziecrowe.livejournal.com
THIS. YES.

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Date: 2011-04-08 12:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
Oh, let's not go there. GTFS Thoughtcrime.

Besides. How the hell would you get such a law passed? The corps own the legislature.

We have to come up with some other, creative way to take this country back. What that is, I don't know, but I think I'm beginning to see signs that Ozymandius is beginning to crumble... Wisconsin, Wil Wheaton lawyering up, Glenn Beck losing his FOX bully pulpit...

But, no, legislation is not the answer, because the legislatures aren't ours, at least for the moment.

Better, I think? No more publicly owned corporations. They're legal sociopaths whose mission in life it is to screw customers, employees, the government, anybody they can, on behalf of the shareholders.... who ultimately will end up like the Once-lers. I've seen what privately held corporations do. Invest in their people, for one. It's a goodness. I'm very thankful to work for one.

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Date: 2011-04-08 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theturbonerd.livejournal.com
This is why arbitrary labels are so deceptive. Everyone on both sides of the abortion debate is Pro-Life in its most basic sense. No one wants abortions, it is just that some of us have accepted that this is sometimes necessary and that the ONLY people that have enough information to make that decision are the woman involved and their doctor.

That is what Roe v Wade is all about. It is a tragic, ugly personal decision but no one outside of that decision should have a right to gainsay it.

Abortions break my heart too. It is an ugly problem, but one that only the people involved should have a choice.

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Date: 2011-04-08 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemmozine.livejournal.com
I can dream, can't I? That isn't illegal yet, IIRC. A grassroots constitutional amendment, one that would stomp all over corporations and restore govt of by & for people . . . probably the only way. I was dismayed to see Obama extend tax cuts for the wealthy - the only reasonable explanation I can see is he's been bought & is in someone's pocket. Corruption in government is near universal.

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Date: 2011-04-08 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com
"I've seen what privately held corporations do. Invest in their people, for one."
Dude, Walmart. It's the nations biggest private employer and it can hardly be said they invest in people and the're good.

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Date: 2011-04-08 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
I think the US should pass a federal law requiring all citizens to spend at least five hours a week studying the legal definition of treason under American law, in an effort to discourage the term being applied to goddamn near everything.

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Date: 2011-04-08 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathain.livejournal.com
Koch Industries is a privately held, non publicly trades corporation. They, quite literally, own my state, government and all. They also own WI and Scott Walker. (Remember the infamous "phone call" to Walker from what was supposed to be "David Koch"?)

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Date: 2011-04-08 04:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] technoshaman.livejournal.com
Only problem is, grassroots constitutional convention is a contradiction in terms. There are exactly two ways to amend the US Constitution, by act of Congress or by Constitutional Convention. The former is impossible in the current political climate; the latter... dangerous. Once you call a ConCon, the agenda isn't limited... and the way the plutocrats cheat, next thing you know you've got amendments banning abortion and leaving the definition of treason wide open for abuse.

Nuh-uh. I'd rather try secession again. The current emperor doesn't have the stomach to send the battleships like Lincoln did... I don't know if Chris Gregoire has the intestinal fortitude to tell him to *really* stick it, though. But at least *this* Washington has initiative.

Hum. Yaknow, something that's never been tried... to my knowledge we've never tried to exercise the initiative section of the First Amendment. Now, it's *petition* for redress... but still.

My favorite part

Date: 2011-04-08 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledcritter.livejournal.com
"IS a group, governor"

LOL

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Date: 2011-04-08 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ldyerzsie.livejournal.com
There was a time when abortions were illegal. And they still happened. Some women did their own. According to my grandmother, doing it yourself was the safer alternative. I'm so very glad I live in the here and now and I will fight for my right to control my body.

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Date: 2011-04-08 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com
Not a bad idea considering how the political right seems to define the word to mean, "anyone who's not with us".

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Date: 2011-04-08 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemmozine.livejournal.com
I wish people who respond to what I say would actually read what I say and not respond to something they made up in their own head. Again, I suppose I'm dreaming. How is wanting to expand the legal definition of treason equivalent to not knowing what it is? I'm well aware that it is not currently treasonous to betray the US in a time of (undeclared x 3) war by taking advantage of legal corporate tax dodges to avoid paying any tax at all on billions of dollars in income, nor is it treasonous or even illegal for politicians to reward rich corporations and individuals who contribute to their campaigns by legalizing these tax dodges, thus diminishing the country's income and rendering us less capable of supporting our military in a time of war. That is not treason. I'm just saying, it's as bad as treason, and the end result is the same.

Why can't I have my direct deposit sent to Costa Rica and pay Costa Rican income taxes instead of US income taxes? Why do human beings have lesser rights than corporate jackals?

Anyone know of any honest politicians, this being defined as those who are not in the pockets of corporations, and who favor taxing the heck out of the rich? I might vote for one of those.

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Date: 2011-04-08 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lemmozine.livejournal.com
Anything that would legalize lining up the current crop of politicians against the proverbial brick wall would, in my mind, be a good thing, but I understand that it's hard to get politicians to vote in favor of their own mass execution. Darn shame.

I suppose the only real solution is to work to support candidates who reject corporate donations and favor taxing the &^*(*$ out of the rich and diminishing corporate rights. Know of any? Know of any who have a chance of being elected?

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Date: 2011-04-11 12:56 am (UTC)

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