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Three years ago Monday, an emotionally stunted, barely literate boy king, a man who has never succeeded at anything he's ever done but has always been bailed out by his family or friends, invaded a sovereign country under false pretenses.

We're still there.

We're not getting out any time soon.

We have enabled the incorrect fantasy of that country being a terrorist haven to come true because the people we invaded are so desperate to get us out that they will take any help they can get.

We have killed thousands of people and maimed tens of thousands of people.

We have lost thousands of people. Tens of thousands of our people have been maimed.

We have filled secret prisons and tortured the people in them.

We have bankrupted the treasury, broken the military, and destroyed our good name around the world.

We have squashed dissent at every turn.

The punditry, deeply beholden to the puppet masters running the country, still cries out over TV how beloved the boy king and his policies are, even though the people know the truth. More than half want him to be censured. Almost half want him to be impeached. But the press, an enemy almost as vile as the boy king and his minions, refuses to go after him, because they are socially, politically, and especially financially in his back pocket.

Awhile back I wrote a big, long, scathing diatribe about how, if you support and protect those who do evil, you are yourself evil.

I would say nothing has changed, but something has.

It's gotten worse.

We must take our country back.

Besides the obvious of winning back the House and/or Senate in the fall, what else should we do right now?
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(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
Revolution....by those who have the means...

The only problem is that currently most of those who have the means are Bush *supporters* :(

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
Revolution? That word has come to mean a variety of things over the years, so precisely what do you mean by that?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
we need another 1776

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skemono.livejournal.com
So now we need to invade England?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
While I agree that the press is not going after him, I don't see them trying to claim he's popular. Every couple of weeks there's a headline talking about how much further his popularity has gone downhill.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
No...meaning we need to take our country back

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palenoue.livejournal.com
How about raiding Haliburton offices and throwing their office furniture into the Boston bay?

Other than that, I'd say compile a list of who advertises on Fox news, the Rush show, etc, and boycott them, while also compiling a list of places that advertise on anti-bush places and buy from them when possible (unless they're Wal-mart or the like).

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
such boycotts never work anymore...those mega-corporations have their hands into so many things, that eventually you'll some across a *need* that they make money off of that you can't get otherwise.

For example, all the oil companies support Bush. Are you prepared to never drive a car again (or use the bus or airplanes, since that would support them too)? Never heat your home again? Never use electricity in a rural area again? Never eat cooked food again? In fact, the mere act of purchasing something supports them, since the items your purchase are transported by oil-drivin vehicles.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
By all means, let's "take our country back." But we must do it by peaceful means. We have a system by which we choose the people who will govern us, and if those people don't suit us, in a few years, we can choose again. There's no need for an armed uprising - President Bush, like all the presidents before him, and like all the people who make our laws, will leave office and be replaced. It's up to us to ensure that those people who come into office are good people, for whatever that means.

Your enemy is not the government. Your enemy is the apathy of the American people.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Go to http://www.mediamatters.org. On second thought, don't -- it'll jack your blood pressure up at least twenty points.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
Voting doesn't do any good when Bush's friends own the vote-counting machines.

Did you know that CNN radically *changed* the Ohio exit polls in 2004 around 1am on election evening so they would jive better with the 'official' results? I saw the change with my own eyes. For hours it was reading Kerry ahead in exit polls 52-48%, then at that fateful time, the numbers FLIPPED! I was keeping an eagle eye on those numbers all that night.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
If you don't like the voting machines, stop using them. Get enough people together that don't like them, and stop using the machines in your town. Ultimately, stop thinking nationally. Get good people elected to local office first. After they've been in local office a while, and have done a good job, the voters will know them and want to elect them to higher offices. Work from the bottom up, and be patient.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tropism.livejournal.com
We've tried doing so by peaceful means, and this is where we are now. This whole country needs a massive-shake up; it's hidebound and stagnant. I half wish it did come down to revolution. There's a reason we've got the right to bear arms -- it's so that we -can- topple the government by force if necessary.

It's not apathy that's the problem so much as it is depression. So we elect another president -- meet the new boss, same as the old boss. With a very few exceptions, the the Repubs and the Dems aren't much different, and we'll never get a third-party candidate into office. There's no life, no vibrancy to Amreican politics -- we're following shambling corpses of parties, whose balls have been pickled and interred in canopic jars. And the American public has, by and large, bought into the whole terrible, enervating lie that we have to stick with the two-party system as it is. The ones that haven't either have no balls themselves, either, are crazy, or stupid. (The Green Party? libertarians? Faugh.)

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
And if they get too popular in making the people wake up, they get "Wellstoned" -.-

You don't actually think that plane crash was an accident, do you? It's on record that the Feds showed up way too soon to the scene of the crash for it to be unplanned.

Wellstoned?

Date: 2006-03-18 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
Prove it.

Re: Wellstoned?

Date: 2006-03-18 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
They were there in an hour

The place they were normally stationed at was a 3-hour heli ride.

Do the math

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omimouse.livejournal.com
If it keeps going in this direction, chances are high that there will be an armed revolution, out of sheer desperation. That, and survival instinct. The Far Right is rather fond of advocating death for anybody that they don't like.

To keep it from getting that far, we need to start at the roots. Local office first, then work our way up. Grass-roots. Get folks involved in what's going on. Pay attention to the national level, yes, but don't forget about what's going on in your home town or county. Get involved, get out there, and try to get other folks involved too. Don't shut up; don't let them shut you up. If it comes down to it, peaceful civil disobedience on a large scale worked for getting attention for a cause at one point.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wookiee71.livejournal.com
Definitely a grass-roots uprising, where the truly dedicated and less fervent to specific notions and causes are elevated to the forefront specifically to uphold only those notions and causes.

Introduce stronger checks and balances for those who go beyond their stations, work with those they shouldn't or uphold things that are not relevant or are beyond the position they hold. Make the punishments for breaking their oaths to office much more effective and disallow *anyone* from being excused from being put to task for their misdeeds. We can't have those in charge parlaying and excusing others who conducted mischievous actions, hoping to sweep the whole thing under the rug.

We need to trust our government again. We need to know that there isn't so many nationally kept secrets and hidden agendas, specifically to serve causes we know little of and we need those who violate their office with those causes and agendas to face the truth for their actions.

We need to keep the rich out of the offices and from buying members of government for their own support. The rich are the ones who benefit most from governmental changes, as long as they control the change, and that basically puts them in control of the company. Government needs to return to the people, by the people and for the people. Not for just these people over here and not for those people over there.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nomaddervish.livejournal.com
If all the voting in your district is with Diebold or similarly-flawed machines, then "stop using them" means "don't vote".

As for being patient... If things continue as they are, what will the US look like in, say, 30-40 years when local politicians have had time to gradually rise to the national level? And what's to stop them from being bought just like far too many of the people there now have been? How will they win primaries (or be selected by other, office-appropriate, means of nomination) to be able to run as major party candidates if they won't toe either party's line?

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
Print this.

Send it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-rayner.livejournal.com
You know, for every person who starts to scream revolution, I simply shake my head with a sigh. Armed revolution wont work here. Too many conflicting elements, and if YOU want to be the one responsible for spilling american blood on American Soil, then you will quickly be labeled the "American Taliban" and a Terrorist And the entire cause is already lost. I have no intention of sacraficing everything. The Kent State students learned it the hard way. The Confederacy learned it the hard way. Bullets dont change politics in America unless you're going to do assassinations.

A House Divided against itself CANNOT Stand. I still believe ol' Honest Abe and his wise words on the subject. He should have known, given what he was presiding over.


You want to change everything? Get the Moderate Repbulicans and conservatives to come join the good fight. Put down your differences, Stop bitching about the details and admit there are bigger things at stake here than a few social issues. You wanna take back the country? You can only do it with -their- Help. We dont have the numbers, the intelligence, or the candidates to do it otherwise. In order to win, you're going to need the conservative south. The little states. The ones that always seem to add up to repub victories. Send up the Truce Flag, Kick the extremist liberal Socialists out, Have them kick out the Fundies, declare Bi-Partisian co-operation and you'll have everything you need.

Hillary has buried herself. Get Clark and Obama in there to do damage control for the whitehouse. Tell Teddie Kennedy to take a long walk off a short beer stein.

We can win this. But we cant do it ourselves. We cant do it with bullets. You try that, you're becoming no better than our enemies.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
"Stop using them" means get involved with the local election commission and get different machines in there. Request absentee ballots.

And as for local politicians - get enough of them in, and in 30-40 years all the little stuff will be good, and a national climate will (hopefully) exist to get them into national office. Remember that these parties don't exist in a vacuum, and if you create a climate where a sufficient number of constituents - the ones who actually vote, mind you - want a thing, I think that the parties will want that thing too.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
Hear, hear!

Re: Wellstoned?

Date: 2006-03-18 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popefelix.livejournal.com
"Do the math." No, when I say "prove it," I mean you do the math. Present me with clear and incontrovertible proof that things are as you say. Then present that proof to a number of other individuals - ones who will listen.

You have leveled an extremely serious accusation against the government, or some portion thereof - that sort of claim demands extraordinary proof.

(no subject)

Date: 2006-03-18 09:37 pm (UTC)
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