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Date: 2006-03-29 08:26 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2006-03-30 10:46 am (UTC)religion would only be practiced in private among consenting adults.
Though we Lutherans have a reputation for being rotten at proselytizing, we often violate keeping our religion private among consenting adults.
My church collects food and funds for the North County Emergency Outreach Network (NCEON), a Christina charity group. That is not private.
My church hosts a homeless shelter in our fellowship hall once a week every winter. Other local churches handle the other weeks. That is not among adults of our religion.
My church supports a local church-based political group that is advocating affordable housing in the affluent areas and good schools in the poor areas. That is not private.
My church hosts a Spanish-language mass (Misa in Spanish) for the large Latino population in its neighborhood. Though the pastor for the service is Lutheran, I suspect that many who attend it are not.
My old church held a Christmas service for the mentally disabled. That was not among consenting adults.
My old church's youth group cooked dinners at a local women's shelter. That was not private.
My old church held quarterly blood drives. Well, I suppose the people who received the blood never did learn the association with religion.
My denomination supports Lutheran World Relief and similar church-based disaster relief efforts that help people around the world. That is not private.
Do you really want churches to stop doing charity work in the name of God because religion is supposed to be private? I admit that the news is full of churches, preachers, and politicians who want to grab power in the name of God (or who simply want to grab power and are willing to pretend it is in the name of God) that make everyone wish they would just shut up and keep their religion private. But as was written in the Letter from James in the New Testament, "Faith without works is dead." Faith moves people to help people. Faith moves people to tell others of their faith. Trying to contain faith so that it does not touch other people will smother it. Religion is organized faith, so it helps organize charitable works.
Erin Schram
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Date: 2006-03-30 08:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-03-31 01:27 pm (UTC)That is not common anymore. Doing charity work in hope that people will convert doesn't work. Therefore, there is no reason to be blatant about the church affiliation of the effort, so we aren't. I suppose you assumed we were blatant because this was a discussion of religion in public discourse. Really, I responded because your statement that religion should be private touched a sensitive nerve. "Removed entirely from the public discourse" could refer to not just political speeches by officeholders and candidates for office, but to all mention of religion anywhere.
I have also participated in charity fund-raising as part of a Star Trek club and as part of a medieval LARPing club. Some members were in full costume. Imagine (this did not happen) someone saying during such an event, "They should keep their silly hobbies private." That is what your statement is sounded like to me.
But since your response indicates that you would be willing to work alongside a bunch of us annoying Christians, I guess you did not mean it that way. Sorry about over-reacting.
Erin Schram