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I am an atheist. But, if there is a god, our motherfucking president is going to Hell. There is a long, long list of reasons.

This is the latest.

And before any Bush supporters say Word fucking One about the chain of command, the situation on the ground, the trigger-happy guards, the people speeding through the checkpoint... it's because of Bush that we're fucking THERE.

Because he lied us there.

So much blood on his hands.

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Date: 2006-05-31 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illusionmajik.livejournal.com
I swear it tears me up inside.

I wish there was some way to get Bush brought up on war crimes or something.

*sighs*

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Date: 2006-05-31 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devospice.livejournal.com
Fuck going to Hell. Can't we just tie him up, torture him, and burn him here so we can all witness it? What would Jack Bauer do?

And man that's awful. I'm glad we're hearing about it, though. I wouldn't put it past the administration to try to cover it up.

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Date: 2006-05-31 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andamaroo.livejournal.com
Sadly, that's nothing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440664.stm).

*falls down weeping*

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Date: 2006-05-31 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beldar.livejournal.com
This happens a lot more than we realize -- the pregnancy gives this story the "gee-whiz" factor to elevate it over other civilian killings and actually make the news. (No doubt the press was attracted to the irony of the "pro-life" president's army killing an unborn child.)

Take for instance this story posted last week on Slate. Buried here is a passing notice of a taxi driver caught in the crossfire of a gunfight with insurgents. I bet that man had a family, and I'm sure they don't care to hear about how his death was an "accident" -- all they know is that an American bullet felled him.
Most Americans don't hear about this, so most Americans don't care.

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Date: 2006-05-31 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] folkmew.livejournal.com
Did you read that great post Mark Bernstein linked to? I think it makes some good points, especially re: a clear mission.

I'm speechless. I'm feeling bewildered that impeachment hasn't at least been seriously discussed (or if it has I'm out of the loop which is always possible, I tend to be buried during grad school heat).

:-(

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Date: 2006-05-31 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
Gee, I wonder what his pro-life base thinks of this?

Oh, I forget, they only care about you BEFORE you're ready to be born... After that, you're on your own.

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Date: 2006-05-31 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Ohhh, no. Goodness gracious, impeachment would be seen as revenge for Clinton, y'see. Makes me wonder if part of their motive wasn't to devalue impeachment precisely for situations such as this. At this point Chimpy could probably have a yaoi B&D orgy on the White House lawn, and 29% of the sheeple would still support him.

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Date: 2006-05-31 09:05 pm (UTC)
ext_74: Baron Samadai in cat form (Impale Bush)
From: [identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com
So... at what point are people going to realise that:
impeachment isn't going to work and,
that Jeb is going to be the next republican candidate,
this nightmare isn't just going to go away if we all close our eyes and wish real hard.

Given that, when are people going to realise there is only one way to get rid of this festering pimple of a man and all the sick sychophants that support him?

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Date: 2006-05-31 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddrussianinja.livejournal.com
God, yaoi was bad enough before...

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Date: 2006-05-31 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diva-di.livejournal.com
*weeping*

Oh, for just once to forgo my vows & ethics & just condemn that rat bastard into his very own personal worst nightmare...

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Date: 2006-05-31 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
No way to impeach Bush as long as the Republicans control Congress. They're Stepford Legislators; they'll never allow impeachment to come up in the House Judiciary Committee, much less vote for it.

Sadly, that's an insufficient picture

Date: 2006-05-31 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capplor.livejournal.com
Since there was a before-born baby in the picture.

Pick your poison:

They only care about future Christians?
They only care about it when the mother lives?
Well, war is just one of the breaks, and death is only a by-product.
This baby was at term, and therefore close enough to the "disregard" point.

:::Sigh:::

Re: Sadly, that's an insufficient picture

Date: 2006-05-31 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
That's just it.
The mother was being rushed to the hospital in order to give birth.
Therefore, for all intent and purposes, the baby was no longer a fetus, and thusly not worth a damn.

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Date: 2006-05-31 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
In his first public comments on the incident, President Bush said he was troubled by the allegations, and that, "If in fact laws were broken, there will be punishment."

Just like you "punished" the people in your cabinet responsible for the Valerie Plame leak?
Just like you "punished" Donald Rumsfeld for giving the okay to torture detainees at Abu Gharaib?

Go to sleep, George,

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Date: 2006-05-31 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrteapot.livejournal.com
On the Daily Show last night, Jon Stewart had a really good question to whatever right wing author was on touting his book:

"If the President opposes stem cell because it's unethical to kill the innocent to save others... isn't that what we're doing in Iraq? Thousands of civilians have died as 'collateral damage'."


(paraphrased from memory)

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Date: 2006-05-31 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smallship1.livejournal.com
Last I heard, Illinois State Legislature were going to use some rules loophole to try and get impeachment started, and California were in support, I believe. Did anything happen with that, is it still in the pipeline, or did they lose their nerve?

Unfortunately, under a democracy there is no way to make a majority vote the right way. History is littered with the debris resulting from majorities making stupid choices. Even if by some miracle there was a majority against him, the Republicans have already demonstrated the ability and the will to use every trick in the entire library to finagle the results their way. I don't think democratic process is going to get us out of this one. I just don't know what will.

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Date: 2006-05-31 10:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nimitzbrood.livejournal.com
Got a link for this? (re:IL Legislature) I can't seem to find any notes about it in the usual places. (Though I admit to being flakey this week so I might have missed it.)

If there's something going on in my home midwest I'd like to know...

Re: Sadly, that's an insufficient picture

Date: 2006-05-31 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] archanglrobriel.livejournal.com

"Take no prisoners and remember, nits grow into lice."**
So Bush has done it.
It really IS a return to Traditional American Values!

I don't know whether to vomit or weep or both.


** - This quote was reportedly uttered by Colonel Patrick Edward Connor before he oversaw a four-hour slaughter of Shoshone at their winter camp on Bear River January 29, 1863. Nearly the entire camp of 400 warriors, old men, old women, women, children, and babies were obliterated.

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Date: 2006-05-31 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Try here and here, to start.

Or google "Illinois impeach" for many more links.

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Date: 2006-05-31 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Yep. This is the president who compares himself to Harry Truman. Except that instead of the buck stopping with him, he's become an expert at passing it back. (I'd say that the difference is that the bucks stop with him, except that they never get past Biggus Dickus.)

Truman? You can't hold a candle to illuminate someone else reading his name, George.

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Date: 2006-05-31 11:20 pm (UTC)
ext_44746: (Default)
From: [identity profile] nimitzbrood.livejournal.com
Sweet!

*chuckle* My wife just came in here, read it over my shoulder and said:

"YES! We're good for something as a state! Now those charges are a lot better than those that were against Clinton! I don't care about his sex life!"

FWIW I agree with her. Now let's just hope that we can keep the momentum on this one. *starts digging for state legislator phone numbers*

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Date: 2006-05-31 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
You know, I was going to note that your usericon is clearly illegal here in the US. Then I looked at your userinfo and grinned. (Provided your own cops don't somehow get wind of it and decide it's a serious threat. I applaud you, either way.)

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kengr
As I understand it, *if* it was considered an actual threat as opposed to a "political statement" that fact that he isn't in the US wouldn't matter one bit. *Especially* in the UK.

The US has grabbed foreign nationals before with less justification.

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kengr
Vermont is doing it as well.

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:46 am (UTC)
kengr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kengr
Check on Vermont as well.

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Date: 2006-06-01 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madmanotl.livejournal.com
When is enough enough? I used to be proud of my national heritage. I am embarrassed now.

Isn't there anyone who has any shread of power that realizes that the United States has become exactly what we were fighting against 50 years ago during the cold war?

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Date: 2006-06-01 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
Was the response anything other than denying that American troops have killed any innocent civilians?

Re: Sadly, that's an insufficient picture

Date: 2006-06-01 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nagasvoice.livejournal.com
Sorry, truth is probably nastier--they only care if the baby is a white anglo of the right economic class. Otherwise, neither mother nor baby matter one damn bit.
Link above in a comment goes to a really horrific story on white phosphorus, which makes that abundantly clear--let alone what those "contractors" were doing to women and children tortured *in* the prison at Abu Ghraib.

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Date: 2006-06-01 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com
I believe I've said before that Bush could, in a live broadcast of the State of the Union, stab an innocent child, rip the still-beating heart from the chest and eat it, and these people would STILL support him.

(And they'd start their "defense" by saying "But Clinton...")

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Date: 2006-06-01 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nagasvoice.livejournal.com
Plenty of us do realize it.
However, if there isn't some turnover in the Senate, to break the Rethuglican impasse there, there will never be any action taken.
It's a sweet little clique there, and it actually surprises me that deLay ever went down at all.
They have to instigate investigation into actions by this Administration's tools--say, racist inaction about Katrina and those absurd damned levee plans now, or the Valerie Plame treason--without even counting how many votes it would take to crack an impeachment out of whatever Congress limps out of the midterm elections this year.
The Thugs are trying very hard not to let either wing roll over this election, because they know what will happen if their majority fails.
If they hold their majority, the wealth tax-cut party just goes on and on, and nobody will ever pay for these crimes. Ever. Essentially, no crimes will ever have been offically acknowledged.

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Date: 2006-06-01 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randwolf.livejournal.com
If the Democrats retake the House this fall. The Senate Republicans might actually be willing to impeach the man; he's turned into a major embarassment for them. Me, I'd like to see Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and a few others face a war crimes tribunal, but it's not realy likely.

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Date: 2006-06-01 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] armb.livejournal.com
"Should the President be allowed to kill kittens with hammers in the interests of national security?" (http://www.xoverboard.com/cartoons/2006_01_09.html)

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Date: 2006-06-01 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] folkmew.livejournal.com
I'm always curious though - if *enough* people, even Republican people, demanded of Congress an impeachment, would they still act that way? What does it take? (really, I'm not being facitious) Sigh.

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
Well, maybe once he gets down to Nixonian levels in the polls (I think 22%) they might decide that his coat tails have turned into flame throwers and they might start running away from him in droves. You know, what Stephanie Miller calls, "And now, time for another episode of Republicans Eating Their Own."

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
I must borrow your icon. PLEASE??? *begs*

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
I think Truman probably rolled over in his grave (and puked) at Dubya's comment.

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Date: 2006-06-01 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paulk54321.livejournal.com
That's the drawback with being an atheist. If there is no God, there is no justice. Many, many people deserve to have a steel spike rammed up their @$$ asses and out of their mouths and turned slowly on a spit as they roast in the fires of hell for all eternity. No need to name names, we know who they are.

Bush and his puppetters hold all the cards, not just all the aces. There will never be an accounting in this world. All we can hope for is that they get what is coming to them in the next.

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Date: 2006-06-01 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Ohhh, I've got long-standing dreams of those guys, Condi, Gonzales, maybe Ashcroft, Feith, Powell, and some of their enablers in the Corporate Media living to a ripe old age in the bowels of the Hague. Every once in a while, a confused and lonely Dubya snifs, "Why me? What did I do to deserve this...?"

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Date: 2006-06-01 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
I respectfully disagree with the premise that, if there is no God, there is no justice. I do believe that justice must sometimes be wrested from the griping clutches of those who would keep it from us. This is why I fear there will a violent revolution in this country... or an attack upon it from another country, or countries, who view us correctly as a rogue nation... and sooner, not later.

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Date: 2006-06-01 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Absolutely. Please feel free; I created it myself, if you'd like to credit it

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Date: 2006-06-01 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Heh. Justice is MINE, saith Me. Or so should the populace say.

If there's no heaven or hell, justice is here on earth, and it's up to us to bring it about.

*nod*

Date: 2006-06-01 03:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nimitzbrood.livejournal.com
Where's a Pit of Carkoon (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=+%22as+you+are+slowly+digested%22&btnG=Search) when you need one...

"If laws were broken...."

Date: 2006-06-01 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capplor.livejournal.com
is a lovely way out. This is from the guy who basically has said "of course those domestic wiretaps without warrents are legal. I'm the president, and anything I order is ok."

Who determines "if laws were broken"?

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Date: 2006-06-01 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrteapot.livejournal.com
The pundit floundered, then decided that he was opposed to bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki for similar reasons, at which point Jon Stewart sarcastically praised him for bravely opposing events that occurred decades ago.

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