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On this day in 1916.

First, what are your favorite Dahl pieces? I know, I know, it's like picking your favorite dessert, or your favorite pasta dish. While I like the book Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, I love the movie Willy Wonka (he did the screenplay, so it counts). (The Burton/Depp film, not so much, although it has its moments.) I'm also very fond of The Witches book and movie, and a short story he did for Playboy called "The Great Switcheroo".

Second, what's your favorite bits from any movie based on a Dahl book? Honest to Ghu, mine is that moment in Willy Wonka when we find out that the fifth ticket is a fake, and Charlie walks away dazed and hoping and finds someplace to go peek and there it is. Also, the intro of Wonka -- the limp, the sticking cane, the fall and roll and tah-dahhh!

I also love the last scene in the half-room, where Wonka apparently loses it. Love love love it when Charlie wins.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hughcasey.livejournal.com
From WWATCF:

Mother of German boy who has fallen into chocolate river: "Somebody do something!"

Wonka: (quietly) "Help. Police. Murder."

Wilder's delivery kills me every time.

And the nightmarish boat ride... CREEEEEEEEEPY.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruisseau.livejournal.com
I need to read more Dahl. I loved reading Charlie & the Chocolate Factory and the Glass Elevator. I think I've also read Matilda.

As far as movies, I never met one I didn't like (although James & the Giant Peach is really surreal). I've always had a soft spot for Willy Wonka. My favorite scene is when he sings Pure Imagination (my second favorite song after Rainbow Connection). But I think I like Matilda more. I relate to Matilda's disconnection with her family and I love the scenes of her dragging tons of books home from the library.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Aside from Charlie, which is a given, The BFG ranks high in my list of Dahl works.

From the movie, I also adore Wonka's entrance, love the "world of pure imagination" sequence, and have to keep from laughing out loud -- still! -- at the "I want the world"/"bad egg" sequence. On the other hand, I grind my teeth every time I see the soi-disant Great Glass Elevator; the book illos are SO much closer to how I'd pictured it (pointed top? METAL frame? No freakin' way!) that I repeat the old mantra "the movie is not the book" every time.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Honestly, I could invoke pretty much the entire Wonka movie, with the possible exception of Mom's "Keep Your Chin Up Charlie" song, which was later licensed by the makers of Nutrasweet.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drzarron.livejournal.com
OOh.. That's easy...

*CLINK* *Fizz*

If you've every read "Man from The South" ( http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/south.html )or seen the two times its been adapted for TV as "The Bet" you'll know why.

The story concerns two men and a bet, one with a very trusty lighter, the other with money, car, woman. 10 lights in a row for all the marbles.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mannoftalent.livejournal.com
There's also a lot of great short stories by Dahl which are definitely not for kids...

Often involving sweet little old ladies who just get pushed a little to far

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spotshouse.livejournal.com
I think _Danny the Champion of the World_ is my favorite.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Yeah. He was kinda like Bradbury with a libido.

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Date: 2006-09-13 01:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] batyatoon
The entire Someone Like You collection, and The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar and Six More.

"Lamb to the Slaughter." Best murder weapon EVAR.

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Date: 2006-09-13 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danruk.livejournal.com
Charlie of course stands as my fave Dahl book, though I was intrigued by the sequel as well, it's really quite even a half shade darker than the first and there hasn't yet been a movie adaptation of "Great Glass Elevator".

I'd like to see Burton try that one. Out of the two movies, the original "Willy Wonka" does win over the more current "Charlie and.." though I enjoyed the latter as well because it captures the more sinister dark moments and aspects.

I liked Gene Wilder's passive "oh no" moments when the kids met their fates. "no. wait. don't. please. no." the deadpan was perfectly toned.

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Date: 2006-09-13 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmeidaking.livejournal.com
James and the Giant Peach. I'm surprised someone else hasn't mentioned it yet.

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Date: 2006-09-13 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wormquartet.livejournal.com
James and the Giant Peach was my favorite as a kid. I read most of his books multiple times, but that one was in horrendous shape by the time it was passed on to my little sister. The Twits was up there...seriously creepy fun, although I remember very few details from it now. And I liked Danny: The Champion Of The World an awful lot. "The BFG" I mostly remember because for whatever reason I had a heck of a time finding it (mind you I was in the 4th or 5th grade at the time.) Ultimately I got my local library to borrow it from another library so I could read it.

And of course those books with that guy with the chocolate or whatever. Loved those.

I don't have the attachment to the Willy Wonka movie that many in my age group seem to have...mostly because for whatever reason I didn't see it (or even know if its existence) until I was in my late teens, and it was different enough from my memories of the book that it failed to really resonate with me. I loved the soundtrack to Burton's movie, and I have no idea why I haven't bought it yet.

-=ShoEboX=-

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Date: 2006-09-13 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xap
Enjoy CCF & Great Glass Elevator, loved James, but my favorite first-pick will always be Danny, Champion of the World.

Being a bit of a traditionalist at times, i tend to see it with the illustrations that were in the copies surrounding me as a kid....which are MUCH harder to find these days, so took forever to get my hands on a copy for my own kids. Thankfully, they also adore it enough to make the hunt worthwhile :)

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Date: 2006-09-13 03:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
Also, the intro of Wonka -- the limp, the sticking cane, the fall and roll and tah-dahhh!

I loved seeing Gene Wilder talking about coming up with that on the DVD.

I also love the last scene in the half-room, where Wonka apparently loses it.

*chuckle* I just referenced that in - of all things - my latest jobsearch post, regarding a company that couldn't even be bothered to spellcheck their email address....

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Date: 2006-09-13 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
And the nightmarish boat ride... CREEEEEEEEEPY.

I think it was my first year at Burning Man...I was riding around the city with my then-partner, listening to the "official" radio station, and they played that. Perfectly absurd, and absurdly perfect in that setting.

I have a trance cover of "Pure Imagination" that added the lyrics to the boat ride into the middle of the song. Love it to bits.

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Date: 2006-09-13 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autographedcat.livejournal.com
I'd probably pick "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" as my favourite novel, but I have to admit that "James and the Giant Peach" had the greatest impact on me, when I read it in elementary school. I remember being deeply, deeply disturbed by it.

I adored every single moment of Gene Wilder's performance in WW&tCF. He had just the right mix of charming and slightly sinister.

I'll also say that I greatly enjoyed the Burton/Depp adaptation as well. You cannot compare it directly to the Wilder film....they are like apples and oranges, in my opinion, but both very well done.

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Date: 2006-09-13 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
Yes! Another Danny fan!

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Date: 2006-09-13 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Oh, I like a lot about the Burton/Depp Charlie... but one of the things I don't like is Wonka. I mean, Depp did a great version of that character as apparently written -- but the broken man-child thing doesn't work nearly as well for me as Wilder's sardonic and worldly Wonka.

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Date: 2006-09-13 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bardicwench.livejournal.com
I love Willy Wonka... so much better than I liked the newer version... mainly because I loved Gene Wilder so much better as Wonka. His delivery of the lines cracks me up every time... and I still remember my first reaction when I saw him "fall" for the first time.

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Date: 2006-09-13 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenlantern-oa.livejournal.com
Tom,
If you love Roald Dahl try checking out his out of print book that is BACK IN print "THE GREMLINS."
This book is about the little gremlins that messed with airplanes in WWII. Funny thing is Walt Disney was going to do a movie with Dahl based on this book! The movie fell through but the art remained.
So Darkhorse Comics just this month released a NEW version of the book with the DISNEY art included throughout the story!!!!

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Date: 2006-09-13 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Excellent. Thanks for the heads-up!

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Date: 2006-09-13 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
My favorite piece from Dahl is his description of what childhood is REALLY like...

"If you want to know what it's like to be a child, get on your hands and knees and crawl everywhere for about a week. Everything is just out of reach, you have to raise your voice just to be heard, and every time you turn around there's another giant telling you what you must and mustn't do."

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Date: 2006-09-13 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beldar.livejournal.com
On "Actors Studio" Wilder said he came up with the "sticking cane" bit to help establish the character as someone you could never completely trust. Pure genius.

I remember in my youth the local TV station had the syndicated "Roald Dahl's Tales of the Unexpected" on after SNL. I rarely managed to stay up late enough to watch an episode, but I knew this was something cool. Opening theme was "Danse Macabre," naturally.

Also, around 4th grade we read an excerpt from "James and the Giant Peach" and made a three-foot tall peach out of paper-mache.

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Date: 2006-09-13 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] admnaismith.livejournal.com
Glad to see others are joining me on Danny, Champion of the World. That one I kept coming back to, over and over. And since no one's mentioned it yet, I'll also throw in Fantastic Mr. Fox as a runner up, mostly because of the three beastly farmers.

For his grown-up fiction, how about Switch Bitch? Naughty!

As for the movies, both Wilder and Depp left me a little cold for different reasons. I wish I wish I wish there could have been a version with Danny Kaye, who would have done it just right.

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Date: 2006-09-13 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Oooooh. I'd never thought of that. Kaye would've been brilliant. Even with precisely the same script as Wilder, it would've been just different enough....

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Date: 2006-09-13 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mannoftalent.livejournal.com
If you think about it, a lot of Bradbury's stories revolve around young boys, asexual elders, and most married couples end up snuffing it or being fairly stupid. Makes one wonder.

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Date: 2006-09-13 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mannoftalent.livejournal.com
I'm also partial to The Landlady- which involved a young man finding a deal on lodgings that seems to be too good to be true, and a sweet little old landlady with a gift for taxidermy.

There's another one whose title I can't remember involving a woman who hates to be late and her husband keeps her stalling, just one time too many.

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Date: 2006-09-13 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenlantern-oa.livejournal.com
"Danny the Champion of the World" and "James and the Giant Peach" are my two favorites!!
I read "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" to my class every year though, and they always get a kick out of it!!

"Witches" the movie scared the crap out of my when I was younger!!!

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Date: 2006-09-13 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
I think I love JAMES AND THE GIANT PEACH and THE BFG the best of the Dahl I've read. I'm so old his stuff wasn't popular when I was supposedly the right age for it, so I guess I've (re)discovered Dahl by reading his stories to my kid. I can see some of Dahl's influence in Harry Potter (duhhh).

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Date: 2006-09-13 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morpheus0013.livejournal.com
I find that sort of amusing, insomuch as his wife said that the Depp/Burton movie was the movie that Dahl intended.

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Date: 2006-09-13 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] admnaismith.livejournal.com
A brooding Wonka with daddy issues was what Dahl intended? I find that hard to believe.

Dahl's Wonka is not a character with a visible inner life and a lot of motivation. That's Charlie. Wonka is an exuberant, self-justifying force of nature. He is what he is without hesitation nor apology. Ask him to explain himself and he'll tell you a joke. Bother him again and something not very nice might happen. You take your trip with him under his guidelines, or you keep away. You don't go trying to change him, any more than you'd try and change Aslan.

Seems to me Wonka ought to be played by a slapstick comedian without much attention to depth. If I were casting, and I couldn't have Danny Kaye, I'd cast Jim Carrey opposite Haley Joel Osment. (I'd also like to experiment a bit with the "bad children", like maybe making Augustus an Italian glutton with an overdone mother, and Mike Tivi a half-Japanese anime-obsessive from Silicon Valley)

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Date: 2006-09-13 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morpheus0013.livejournal.com
Yeah, the Daddy complex I'll grant you. Brooding I disagree with.

I also disagree about the slapstick comedian, though. That'd be about the worst choice I could imagine.

Regardless. She said it, I didn't.

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Date: 2006-09-13 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omimouse.livejournal.com
Fantastic Mr. Fox, James and the Giant Peach, and The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar.

Those are just the ones that leap to my mind first. I remember getting my hands on the Henry Sugar book at around 12, because it was Roald Dahl, and I had to convince 3 different librarians that yes, I really wanted to check the book out.

I loved every inch of it, and Henry Sugar was my hero for a while.

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Date: 2006-09-13 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tony-goldmark.livejournal.com
Not only was it his idea, he made it a condition of doing the movie in the first place. He felt an intro like that was essential, because from then on you never knew whether Wonka was lying or not.

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Date: 2006-09-13 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tony-goldmark.livejournal.com
Hate to burst your bubble there, but Roald Dahl did not actually write the Wonka screenplay; it was ghostwritten by a guy who's interviewed on the DVD, and Roald Dahl was credited to sell more tickets. Sorry.

As for my favorite book, I'd have to say "Matilda", because I always felt smarter than my teachers.

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Date: 2006-09-14 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] realinterrobang.livejournal.com
Favourite Dahl pieces? Um, "A Piece of Cake," and "The Boy Who Talked With Animals." I was never much of a fan of his most famous stuff, like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and James and the Giant Peach, for whatever reason. From an adult perspective, I'd say it's because both of those remind me of Dickens without the razor-sharp sense of satire.

It was released yesterday

Date: 2006-09-14 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledcritter.livejournal.com
At least according to DH's website (there's a 13-page preview at the link below)

http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/preview.php?theid=10-665

This looks absolutely fantastic...I'm calling up my local shop to see if they have any, and order me one if they don't!

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