I hold out no hope. That way, I don't get burned. It did actually work for the first movie, which was halfway decent to pretty good except for that whole Doom guy.
They were doing OK until someone called Doom "Vic". I'm sorry, but I don't care if you're ever-lovin' Thing - NO ONE calls Victor von Doom "Vic". Not even in the comics did Benjy ever do such a thing. He called him lots of other things, but never "Vic".
Ah well, I think you've probably got the right idea. But that trailer doesn't help quash expectations. Damn their little digital hearts, anyway.
I wasn't a big fan of the original FF film, and didn't have high hopes for the sequel, but that looks amazing and from what little we saw in the trailer, it looked like they may have gotten Johnny Storm right this time.
I'd been really nervou when they announced that the second movie was going to be "Fantastic Four and the Silver Surfer"...But this looks pretty damn neat.
Wonder if the Silver Surfer will get the movie all to himself, or if they'll have Galactus in this one as well.
My main complaint with the first movie was that Richards just didn't seem like Richards... He wasn't know-it-all, semi-uptight prick-ish enough. Well, and Doom's origin irked me. His hatred of Richards just isn't the same when it isn't an ego battle.
Looks like they're taking the Reboot route and making the surfboard not merely an extension of the Surfer, but part of him.
And...since when did The Power Cosmic include the ability to phase through solid objects? Granted, TPC is kinda loosely defined in terms of its limits, but still...
Can anybody tell me what music's playing in the latter half of that trailer? I hear it everywhere.. (I mean, I hear it in other places, and have before this trailer came out. The trailer hasn't warped my mind in some auditory way.)
While I will admit I did become swayed to the X-Men side of the force, at least up to issue 200 or so, my first and true comic love are "The Fantastic Four".
I was plenty disappointed by the first one. The cast one me over for the most part. The films only real saving grace was the relationship between Johnny and Ben. But the complete raping of the Doom character was just a crime! Victor Fucking Von Doom doesn't been mamby pamby super powers, he has his intellect and his arrogance to get him through the day.
That being said, the quick flash we've seen here in this new trailer doesn't look that bad. Yes, I'm a little WTF'y about SS phasing through things (If he could do that he would need cosmic awareness and need to actually navigate!)
But.. but.. the chase looked cool. And many a time SS pulled Johnny up into the vacuum so someone's been did some reading.
Yeah, I'll go see it, just not holding out much hope.
Anyone hear if Big G is actually going to make an appearance?
Loved the trailer...I still haven't seen the first one - I knew too much about it and was disappointed in everything I saw, but this one is making me reconsider. Although I'm guessing I shouldn't hold my breath for Galactus, Watcher et al :)...
Also Tom, was that you in the trailer talkback - "DAMN they got the look of the Surfer exactly freakin' right."? (yeah I know the username said filker-tom so odds are it WAS you, but you just never know who's who in a talkback :) ) If so, I commend you. I was getting SO tired of the "Shite" comments (AFAIK, AICN has never had a language filter, so it must be another lame AICN meme or something...), I finally see a GOOD comment and it's yours! :)
They're gonna murder it, just like they did the Phoenix Saga. It's their little way of saying, "Bored now, can we stop making sequels now? We're tired of raking in all that cash."
That was indeed me. And OY do I agree. As Eric Schwartz (http://www.sabrina-online.com/strips/SabOnline397.GIF) said, "The only universal constant is fanboy complaint." But it's worse than that, beyond that, and funnier than that.
If I may snarl for a moment...? Thanks.
ATTENTION STUPID FUCKING FANBOYS! Saying "everything sucks" does not make you edgy or prescient. It makes you rude and unwilling to take a chance. It makes you not enjoy the build-up to anything. And the kind of girls it gets you, if any, don't bathe much either, but still more than you, and eventually they will either get sick of your constant negativity and hostility or sick of your inability to understand what true despair is really like.
A good number of you thought Finding Nemo was gonna suck. That should be proof enough that you do not know jack.
Oh, and, guys? Anybody who disses the special effects in a goddamn teaser trailer really should have a more specific reason than "this looks lame". More to the point, anyone who disses the SFX in a fantasy movie for looking "unrealistic" ought to ease up on the NyQuil and Krispy Kremes.
I believe that is the plan, yeah. And I understand your trepidation re: the Surfer's powers. I'm not sure they had the imagination to have him zig-zagging around the skyscrapers, but it was a cool visual.
And, yeah, Doctor Doom should always be Victor Von Doom, Lord of Latveria. None of this "captain of industry" with a thing for Miss Thang. From the moment I heard his voice in the original trailer, I was worried, and the movie bore that out. As you say, thank Cthulhu for Johnny and Ben.
Yeah, well, I've never had the love that so many of fandom seem to have for Arcade. To me, he's a lame ripoff of Harlan Ellison in very bad clothing pretending to be the Joker. Seeing that Arcade is the villain in a piece gets from me precisely the same eye-rolling as "[remove rubber mask] GASP! It's MISTER JOHNSON!"
Can't remember Ben calling Doom "Vic", although I'm sure you're right, Sue; but he used to call him "Doomsie" a lot, which is nearly as bad. :)
Especially don't start on the CGI "magic space cloud"(tm) that gave them their powers in FF(1). Given the constraints within which he had to work I thought the CGI artist did a splendid job...and I'm not saying that merely because he's my son. Partially, but not merely.
No, he's not working on FF(2). He's in Japan on the JET program, teaching English to Japanese elementary and middle school students, befriending yakuza and making comments on Japanese and US cultures.
Serendipity; at this moment I'm listening to Stan Lee on NPR....
I'll give you an even *better* one - the original X-Men teaser trailer. Remember how the fanboys complained and kvetched at how lame Cyclops' optic blast looked, how bad it looked when Sabretooth tossed Wolvie, how wrong Storm's eyes looked, how bad the costumes looked, etc? Hmm, it didn't turn out too bad, did it? :)
I especially loved how Bryan decided to tweak the fanboy's collective noses: "Well, what would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" - I rarely use this acronym, but ROTFLMAO! :)
That being said - what I LOVED about the FF/SS trailer was two shots: Norrin going through the board and winding up surfing upside down and him doing the rapid climb with Johnny - that last one, especially really looked like a Kirby panel come to life - which is why this is making me want to see it...too bad they can't make a "big hands" shot :)
I boycotted the first movie on the grounds they butchered the origin and personalities of the FF and Doom unnecessarily (at least as far as I could tell from trailers, reviews, and comments by friends). I recognize film<>source media, and I had no problem with the X-Men or LOTR or Harry Potter movies, because I could see where the changes were needed, but the FF changes were such that, IMO, it was not about the FF at all, but some other group with similar powers.
This doesn't give me high hopes for the Galactus saga, which was far more 'cosmic' than the origin of the FF and Doom. If they had to 'modernize' those (to the point where Mr. Sensawunda has left the building), I can't imagine what they'd do to Galactus. Ooo! I know! If Dr. Doom is an Evil Corporate Executive (oooh, smell the Biting Social Commentary and Daring Originality! The bad guy's a businessman! Never seen THAT before!), I'll bet Galactus will be an Evil Intergalactic Wal-Mart Representative, out to wipe out Earth's small local human owned businesses or something. The Silver Surfer? His political lobbyist/lackey, who will bribe the UN for the necessary building permits.
If the whole movie lives up to the potential of this trailer, we have a sequal that is better than the original on our hands by a significant factor. This is good for movie fans.
I'm not trying to start a huge fight, but t'be fair, the Phoenix Saga is a tiny bit batshit. In order to do it right, they'd have to introduce a lot of elements and characters that, at that point, had not even been hinted at in the first two movies. If they wanted to do it by the book, then it would have spanned multiple movies, and most of the audience that hadn't been fans of the books would be bored and confused by the time they got to the meat of the saga.
The point of comics is to keep you reading from month to month, with story-arcs ranging from a few books to a full year. The point of movies is to keep you entertained for a few hours. It's extremely difficult to translate the sagas from one media to the other when the comics have had hundreds of books previous that help set up the current saga, while a movie has, at most, 1-2 movies proceeding it.
That being said, we've only seen a teaser trailer of a really spiffy chase scene. Granted, I'm not saying it will be the next Sin City, but it's still early for saying it's going to be horrible.
"As you say, thank Cthulhu for Johnny and Ben." P'thagn to that my friend. Scene stealers each in his own right as well as together.
Everyone knows that the one with the Thing for Miss Thang was The Sub-Mariner though. Maybe next movie? If Namor has not got Spock Ears and little wingies on his heels I will be crushed, CRUSHED do you hear? [falling down laughing now]
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Date: 2006-12-27 12:56 am (UTC)They'd better not mess up my first love. I'm going to be so traumatized if they do.
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Date: 2006-12-27 01:01 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 01:06 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 01:15 am (UTC)Ah well, I think you've probably got the right idea. But that trailer doesn't help quash expectations. Damn their little digital hearts, anyway.
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Date: 2006-12-27 01:19 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 01:24 am (UTC)Wonder if the Silver Surfer will get the movie all to himself, or if they'll have Galactus in this one as well.
My main complaint with the first movie was that Richards just didn't seem like Richards... He wasn't know-it-all, semi-uptight prick-ish enough. Well, and Doom's origin irked me. His hatred of Richards just isn't the same when it isn't an ego battle.
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Date: 2006-12-27 01:29 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 01:58 am (UTC)Looks like they're taking the Reboot route and making the surfboard not merely an extension of the Surfer, but part of him.
And...since when did The Power Cosmic include the ability to phase through solid objects? Granted, TPC is kinda loosely defined in terms of its limits, but still...
All in all, looks like LOTS of fun.
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Date: 2006-12-27 02:32 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 02:52 am (UTC)But in any case, Holy Schlamoly, digital technology actually DOES seem to be up to this. I can't wait!
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Date: 2006-12-27 03:50 am (UTC)Can anybody tell me what music's playing in the latter half of that trailer? I hear it everywhere.. (I mean, I hear it in other places, and have before this trailer came out. The trailer hasn't warped my mind in some auditory way.)
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Date: 2006-12-27 04:39 am (UTC)I was plenty disappointed by the first one. The cast one me over for the most part. The films only real saving grace was the relationship between Johnny and Ben. But the complete raping of the Doom character was just a crime! Victor Fucking Von Doom doesn't been mamby pamby super powers, he has his intellect and his arrogance to get him through the day.
That being said, the quick flash we've seen here in this new trailer doesn't look that bad. Yes, I'm a little WTF'y about SS phasing through things (If he could do that he would need cosmic awareness and need to actually navigate!)
But.. but.. the chase looked cool. And many a time SS pulled Johnny up into the vacuum so someone's been did some reading.
Yeah, I'll go see it, just not holding out much hope.
Anyone hear if Big G is actually going to make an appearance?
Surfer does look good
Date: 2006-12-27 05:19 am (UTC)Also Tom, was that you in the trailer talkback - "DAMN they got the look of the Surfer exactly freakin' right."? (yeah I know the username said filker-tom so odds are it WAS you, but you just never know who's who in a talkback :) ) If so, I commend you. I was getting SO tired of the "Shite" comments (AFAIK, AICN has never had a language filter, so it must be another lame AICN meme or something...), I finally see a GOOD comment and it's yours! :)
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Date: 2006-12-27 07:39 am (UTC)It's rather distressing that I know that off the top of my head.
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Date: 2006-12-27 07:40 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 09:09 am (UTC)The Silver Surfer has always rocked my socks.
Re: Surfer does look good
Date: 2006-12-27 09:33 am (UTC)If I may snarl for a moment...? Thanks.
ATTENTION STUPID FUCKING FANBOYS! Saying "everything sucks" does not make you edgy or prescient. It makes you rude and unwilling to take a chance. It makes you not enjoy the build-up to anything. And the kind of girls it gets you, if any, don't bathe much either, but still more than you, and eventually they will either get sick of your constant negativity and hostility or sick of your inability to understand what true despair is really like.
A good number of you thought Finding Nemo was gonna suck. That should be proof enough that you do not know jack.
Oh, and, guys? Anybody who disses the special effects in a goddamn teaser trailer really should have a more specific reason than "this looks lame". More to the point, anyone who disses the SFX in a fantasy movie for looking "unrealistic" ought to ease up on the NyQuil and Krispy Kremes.
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Date: 2006-12-27 09:36 am (UTC)And, yeah, Doctor Doom should always be Victor Von Doom, Lord of Latveria. None of this "captain of industry" with a thing for Miss Thang. From the moment I heard his voice in the original trailer, I was worried, and the movie bore that out. As you say, thank Cthulhu for Johnny and Ben.
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Date: 2006-12-27 09:44 am (UTC)Can't remember Ben calling Doom "Vic", although I'm sure you're right, Sue; but he used to call him "Doomsie" a lot, which is nearly as bad. :)
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Date: 2006-12-27 12:05 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 12:23 pm (UTC)Especially don't start on the CGI "magic space cloud"(tm) that gave them their powers in FF(1). Given the constraints within which he had to work I thought the CGI artist did a splendid job...and I'm not saying that merely because he's my son. Partially, but not merely.
No, he's not working on FF(2). He's in Japan on the JET program, teaching English to Japanese elementary and middle school students, befriending yakuza and making comments on Japanese and US cultures.
Serendipity; at this moment I'm listening to Stan Lee on NPR....
Re: Surfer does look good
Date: 2006-12-27 02:04 pm (UTC)I especially loved how Bryan decided to tweak the fanboy's collective noses:
"Well, what would you prefer? Yellow spandex?" - I rarely use this acronym, but ROTFLMAO! :)
That being said - what I LOVED about the FF/SS trailer was two shots: Norrin going through the board and winding up surfing upside down and him doing the rapid climb with Johnny - that last one, especially really looked like a Kirby panel come to life - which is why this is making me want to see it...too bad they can't make a "big hands" shot :)
Cool effects, but...
Date: 2006-12-27 04:19 pm (UTC)This doesn't give me high hopes for the Galactus saga, which was far more 'cosmic' than the origin of the FF and Doom. If they had to 'modernize' those (to the point where Mr. Sensawunda has left the building), I can't imagine what they'd do to Galactus. Ooo! I know! If Dr. Doom is an Evil Corporate Executive (oooh, smell the Biting Social Commentary and Daring Originality! The bad guy's a businessman! Never seen THAT before!), I'll bet Galactus will be an Evil Intergalactic Wal-Mart Representative, out to wipe out Earth's small local human owned businesses or something. The Silver Surfer? His political lobbyist/lackey, who will bribe the UN for the necessary building permits.
Just wait. I'll be right.
Re: Cool effects, but...
Date: 2006-12-27 06:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 10:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-27 10:06 pm (UTC)The point of comics is to keep you reading from month to month, with story-arcs ranging from a few books to a full year. The point of movies is to keep you entertained for a few hours. It's extremely difficult to translate the sagas from one media to the other when the comics have had hundreds of books previous that help set up the current saga, while a movie has, at most, 1-2 movies proceeding it.
That being said, we've only seen a teaser trailer of a really spiffy chase scene. Granted, I'm not saying it will be the next Sin City, but it's still early for saying it's going to be horrible.
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Date: 2006-12-29 07:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2006-12-29 07:08 pm (UTC)Everyone knows that the one with the Thing for Miss Thang was The Sub-Mariner though. Maybe next movie? If Namor has not got Spock Ears and little wingies on his heels I will be crushed, CRUSHED do you hear?
[falling down laughing now]