Filk: The Music of Fandom
Oct. 2nd, 2007 10:07 pmI think I finally nailed how to describe it.
I've been talking about it a lot, thinking about it a lot, since Dragon*Con. My frustration at the disrespect filk gets has been growing, even as I recognize that on some levels there is at least evidence as to why it might get that disrespect. But the thing that has really made me crazy is how elaborate the attempts to explain what filk is have become. Everybody, including me, tries philosophical bases, examples of songs that might be filk if they were done in fandom, blah blah blah.
There is fan fiction.
There is fan art.
Filk is fan music. Period.
As with fan fiction and fan art, some of it is at a professional level. And some of it is not. For there is an added dimension, an extra skill, not needed for fan fiction and fan art: Fan music must be performed. And fandom, being composed primarily of social outsiders, is already at a disadvantage at something most people find uncomfortable at best. This is why the filk community is so accepting, so polite.
If you are coming at filk from outside the filk community, it is natural that you will gravitate towards the works of more talented musicians, singers, and songwriters, in exactly the same way that you would prefer the books of writers you like, the paintings and sculpture of artists you like. All we ask is that you judge each on its own merit, exactly the way you would any other artistic creation. Don't like a particular song, or singer? Wait five minutes.
Thoughts?
(Edited to tweak the subject line. I think following the comparison of "fan fic, fan art, fan music" with "therefore, filk is the music of fandom" is the refinement I'm looking for.)
I've been talking about it a lot, thinking about it a lot, since Dragon*Con. My frustration at the disrespect filk gets has been growing, even as I recognize that on some levels there is at least evidence as to why it might get that disrespect. But the thing that has really made me crazy is how elaborate the attempts to explain what filk is have become. Everybody, including me, tries philosophical bases, examples of songs that might be filk if they were done in fandom, blah blah blah.
There is fan fiction.
There is fan art.
Filk is fan music. Period.
As with fan fiction and fan art, some of it is at a professional level. And some of it is not. For there is an added dimension, an extra skill, not needed for fan fiction and fan art: Fan music must be performed. And fandom, being composed primarily of social outsiders, is already at a disadvantage at something most people find uncomfortable at best. This is why the filk community is so accepting, so polite.
If you are coming at filk from outside the filk community, it is natural that you will gravitate towards the works of more talented musicians, singers, and songwriters, in exactly the same way that you would prefer the books of writers you like, the paintings and sculpture of artists you like. All we ask is that you judge each on its own merit, exactly the way you would any other artistic creation. Don't like a particular song, or singer? Wait five minutes.
Thoughts?
(Edited to tweak the subject line. I think following the comparison of "fan fic, fan art, fan music" with "therefore, filk is the music of fandom" is the refinement I'm looking for.)
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:21 am (UTC)You have just stated one of the random thoughts that were running through my mind on Sunday night as I drove home from Ohio. But I don't remember if I had this one before or after I talked to you.
Wow.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:26 am (UTC)I guess you find that most people who complain about filk are primarily conflating it with parody and griping about that? For those who say that "filk isn't real music" because they're convinced it's parody, I would be inclined to lead with an opening salvo of "Well, then fan fiction isn't real literature and fan art isn't really art, 'cause they're also variations on existing works." It'd be an even better warning shot if you happened to have some good names to drop in there - so-and-so isn't really an author, and so-and-so isn't really a painter, y'know.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:40 am (UTC)Filk is the kind of music you'll find at an SF convention, just as SF and Fantasy art is the kind of art you'll find in the convention art show, and SF and Fantasy movies are what you'll find in the film room.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:41 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-10-03 02:41 am (UTC)It's all about Them.
As an example, not quite a side-trip, here:
One of the comics folks posted an interesting sample critique of how pretty blatantly sexist writers were belittling and erasing the contributions of one particular woman character simply because this character was a woman. Whether or not you agree with how she applies the analysis in this case, it certainly shows how a fearful sub-group tries to dominate a minority of some sort by making work go away as if it never happened. IMHE, most of the time such folks don't even notice they're dong it, except the irritation level sounds pretty high.
That post is here if you're interested, it has further links.
http://kadymae.livejournal.com/463358.html
I've been thinking there's been way too much divide-and-conquer put-downs going on all over the place in this country, it's been spread all over into fandom like a virus, and I don't like it one bit.
Since the subject was on my mind (more serendipity?), I was wondering if (in the context of filk) it was important to consider the source of the criticism. Where is the pressure coming from? Who's giving you the sense you're being belittled, and why are they doing it? What are they getting out of it by putting down filkers?
And at the risk of sounding offensive, how pathetic is it that to feel better about themselves, the only folks left for them to put down in this manner are those of us living at the furthest, wackiest, most creative end of the bell curve? They have to attack folks forced onto the thin ende of survival on all those conventional measures of social skills, size, health, and intelligence?
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Date: 2007-10-03 05:24 am (UTC)A filkroom discussion of fannish ranking I recall set us below gamers but above furries -- this determined by a fellow filker who also defined himself as a furry.
As one of the off-key, enthusiastically amateur filkers, I've never noticed others making fun of my choice of fandoms. Perhaps this is because I rarely roam other parts of a convention, and so I don't hear who's putting down whom. (I took the time to sign up for a Live Journal account just so I could comment here, and I'll likely go back to lurking after Tom's moved on from this topic.)
Tom, you'd mentioned after Dragon*Con that you felt filkers were picked on in the bumps and other DC-TV segments. The one bump I saw that mentioned filkers was about how we were the favorite type of fans. True, anyone not into filking could choose to take it sarcastically, but I cheered when I saw that text. I took no offense in it.
"Fan music." I like your definition, Tom.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:42 am (UTC)Perhaps I'm over-thinking the plumbing, here (it wouldn't be the first time) but I suspect that those who are uncomfortable with even mild public displays of affection (holding hands, a chaste kiss in a restaurant, etc...) are the same people who react badly to filk ... not because it's filk, necessarily, but because it's public.
At the same time, I know other people who react badly to what they perceive as the "low quality" of filk music. To them I usually remind them of all the good times they had singing songs around a campfire in Scouts or with family. This is the music sung around the campfire of fandom; it has its own rules and is largely devoured and enjoyed on the merits of the community it represents and speaks to. It's not letting lower standards slide, it's embracing something that embraces us.
...If that makes any sense at all...
Yours,
Sylvan (Dave)
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Date: 2007-10-04 02:54 am (UTC)Thank you.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:46 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-10-03 02:48 am (UTC)I do like the definition of "filk" being "fan music" so long as the caveat that the term "fan" here can include pros as well (some defintions I have seen of fan fiction and fan art specifically exclude anyone who gets paid for their work).
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Date: 2007-10-03 03:05 am (UTC)Fanfic writers and fan artists can and do turn out professional level work. As
The idea of calling filk "fan music" is in fact to allow all levels of musical talent. It shifts the emphasis from the performance to the music itself. Janis frickin' Ian has been showing up at WorldCon filks; that's as professional as you get.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:51 am (UTC)Filk performance would require a different set of empathetic skills than that needed for playing to more mainstream audiences, I would think. You have to know the material. You don't dare mispronounce a word of Klingonese if you've dared to use it in your lyrics; your audience will know and will not be merciful about it. On the other hand, if you love the material, you need the skills to bring that to your performance. If you can, your audience is prepared to hear it, are actively looking for it, and will thank you for it. You are one of them. You aren't selling them what you think they want to hear. You're sharing something with them, something they share with each other without a soundtrack: thoughts about the fandom. Jokes, new perspectives on the material, bad puns, and variations on or additions to what's already there; like with fanfic, not everyone will appreciate your particular contribution, but at least you're in there and trying. You get it. You grok.
My perspective, anyway.
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Date: 2007-10-03 03:07 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:54 am (UTC)I don't think it's fair to stretch "fan" to cover space exploration, when we wouldn't call a painting of an Apollo launch fanart.
And while I'm just someone who's listened in on the bare fringes of filking, I can't see how you can have a definition of filk without the space music.
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Date: 2007-10-03 02:57 am (UTC)Unless, of course, the song was really bad. :)
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Date: 2007-10-03 03:33 am (UTC)As for the definition: Best I've heard yet. I just wrote in my journal about a classmate asking me why, since I am actually a pretty good singer/performer, would I choose to do filk as opposed to "real music."
Filk is real music. It's music with far more love and humor than you'll hear on any radio station. And, yes, parodies do take talent. Writing original versus parody lyrics is the same difference in skill set as writing prose versus writing haiku. When you must have only x syllables per line and x lines per song... well, I challenge those of you who haven't done it to try and then come complain about how that doesn't take talent.
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Date: 2007-10-03 05:44 am (UTC)It takes courage to participate in a filk circle (or, perhaps, inebriation), especially when one knows talent is lacking. When I got to cons that had filk guests and concerts, I was much more at ease. (Love ya, Tom.)
When in a filk circle, I try to gently encourage the newbies -- be they first-time visitors or those who are working up the nerve to sing something original. Invariably, the talent of the singers amazes me. (As someone who's heard your own songs, VoK, I'm glad you didn't listen to your fearful friends -- you've got talent!)
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Date: 2007-10-03 03:52 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-10-03 04:01 am (UTC)I think that is the perfect description of filk. That can encompass you, Luke, the lady singing the 27 verse song, me, Worm Quartet, Moonwulf, the kid in Tulsa who did White And Nerdy acapella (and nailed it) and anyone else. Filk is music for fans ... period. And fans are into a lot of stuff.
I think the thing I like about every filk circle I have been in is that they remind me of the "sings" that my Mom took me to when I was a kid. It was a bunch of people of varying talent all gathered to share music.
I appreciate everyone who sings in the circle. Some of them I may not like, but they are there for the same reason I am.
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Date: 2007-10-03 04:22 am (UTC)Wether music is concidered filk or parody or funny music, I don't know all the terms, I'm new to the whole genre, however, it's all music, and everyone has their own terms for different things. Not everything must be so specific. I used to debate the difference between Old school, new school, ska-core, OC, Punk Rock and Roll, Oi Boy, 3 Chord, Anarchist, Pop Punk, etc... It all really doesn't matter. It's just music and what matters is wether you as a person like it or not.
Now I've just started writting filk songs. I could make my own music, but I prefer to use other people's music. I just think it feels right for me, some won't like that, I can't control that. I have to make music that makes me happy. I also am not a good singer right now. I'm practicing and I think I could be a good singer in the future. I would very much like to perform my music. I used to love Punk Bands that featured people that didn't play or sign that well, because I thought that captured the essesence of Punk Rock best, but lot's of people hated those same bands, cause they weren't very good. That's just human nature and none of us can change that with any amount of debate. Some people will respect those with less performance prowess and others won't.
As for people disrespecting filk. I don't have enough experience at different Cons and Filk sings to comment but I can talk a bit of my experience at DragonCon. I attended one of the late night filk sings and I attended the Stargate Track filk panel. There were plenty of people singing in public that probably had no business doing so, I will probably fall into that has no business singing catagory, but what was so inspiring to me was that as bad as they might have been, they had a song and wanted to sing it. And I have so much respect for that. I saw several people sing songs and they didn't even play the guitar or any instrument, they were nervous as hell, yet they sang away as best they could and I thought it was awesome.
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Date: 2007-10-03 04:31 am (UTC)Dementia is comedy music and I don't think it has to be defined much beyond that. Strong interest overlap, but separate interests.
The only thing I find myself inclined to disagree with is your assertion that "Polka Dot Undies" would not work in a filk circle. I am totally going to do it at OVFF, just for that. :Þ
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Date: 2007-10-03 10:55 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-10-03 04:58 am (UTC)For filk, if a song you don't like comes up in the circle, whether because of performance, writing, or content, you pretty much have to endure it for the full duration until something you like comes up, or you leave the circle.
This requires patience. It requires a willingness not just to tolerate the existence of the least talented of us, which is easy, but to invest considerable time listening to music you just don't really enjoy.
I accept the bargain. In exchange I get music I do enjoy, a chance to try my music, and community.
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Date: 2007-10-03 05:09 am (UTC)Well into high school I was teased for speech impediments, but in high school I joined the debate team, and actually won some awards for original oratory. I learned if I actually memorized something, and practiced it, my speech was clearer. But still its not perfect, and I remember being nervous when I first got on stage to read my poetry. I was sure I was going to be laughed at. But they don't care at open mics. Especially, since I'm told, some of my poetry is actually enjoyable.
But there are many people who won't go to open mics because they feel those who perform at open mics are those who can't get paying gigs. And while you can tell them a lot of near-professional quality musicians and poets without the marketing behind them can be heard there, they don't want to sit through the amateurs.
So it's not just the filk community. But I think the 'Fan Music' definition is a good one. As others have said there is professional fan fiction. Niven and Pournelle's Fallen Angels was Fan Fiction. John Myers Myers Silverlock was Fan Fiction. Peter David's Woad to Wuin has a good section of Lord of the Rings Fan Fiction parody included within it. One could argue that a fair amount of the work of They Might Be Giants is Filk. It's certain Fan Music.
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Date: 2007-10-03 05:23 am (UTC)"a filker wrote a filk he played in a filk circle, and now he's big in filk"
Here "a filk" refers to a parody in the usage I have heard, but the other instances of filk don't refer to parody.
Similarly the transitive verb "to filk" seems to mean to write a parody, but the intransitive verb "to filk" means to sing in a filk circle.
"He filked 'Having my baby,' turning it into a spawn-of-Satan horror piece, and when he was done he went down to the main circle and filked until 3:00 AM.
The first instance of "filked" means he parodied. The second means he sang songs that may or may not have been parodies in a circle.
So there is an actual subtle use of the word filk among filkers that encourages the idea that filk is parody. Try to explain "A filk is a parody. Filks are parodies. Filk is not parody." or "Filking a song is parodying a song. Filking is not parodying."
Language is weird.
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Date: 2007-10-03 06:06 am (UTC)When I first heard filk recordings, they were of very low recording quality, and I decided that were I to produce one, it would be of as high a quality as possible, just as if it were a non-filk recording. There is no reason why filk recordings cannot be as high a quality (technically speaking) as non-filk recordings, no matter what the particular style of the musicians on the recordings.
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Date: 2007-10-03 06:11 am (UTC)So we just got to education the masses. Sing "Cthulhu Lite FM" next time you lunch at a crowded cafe, sneak "When I grow up" onto your business phone hold system, send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper with the complete lyrics of "Skullcrusher Mountain", and every email you send put a link to the Fump in your sig. That should raise awareness to filk.
As a general genre definition, Tom has it down just right. Any more elaboration should be saved for the sub-categories.
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Date: 2007-10-03 10:00 am (UTC)My definition has focused more on the community, rather than a definition for the external masses. As such, both fit. Fanfic has a very active community that hangs together. So does filk. So, yeah, it fits.
As to why we get maligned, I feel that this is a very simple thing. Fanfic and fan art are mediums that don't invade your space. You can choose to go to the Art show, or not. You can choose to pick up and read that story, or not.
Music is more intrusive. Yes, it can be isolated off into a room; but the fact is that we're making *sound*, and a space has to be *created* for us (as opposed to the Art Show, which is already there, and well, you can use the whole con to just talk about what you've read- it's lost in the general background noise). Others have to make space for us, whereas that isn't the case in the other fanacs.
So, in my opinion, we'll always have folks who just don't like us- because we invade their space. Not because we do so intentionally, mind you- but it's just a fact that has to be lived with.
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Date: 2007-10-03 09:29 pm (UTC)It's a concise definition. I think we've all been looking for one. So thanks! :-)
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Date: 2007-10-03 10:11 pm (UTC)You are a perfect example of a professional-level musician, perfectly capable of holding your own with style in any small-to-medium-sized venue I can think of, who happens to filk.
Hm. Maybe we should come up with a Best Of Filk Sampler -- with you, me, Wolf, Wild Mercy, Ookla, etc., etc., etc. Call it Filk: The Music of Fandom or something like that. Get it bulk replicated, make it a freebie -- give it to Bill and Juanita and all the other dealers to give away to people who ask, "What to you recommend?"... and also send it to con-coms and say See, This Is What You Are Missing.
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Date: 2007-10-03 10:25 pm (UTC)That said, I'm inclined to disagree with most of the gallery so far, at least in part. I think referring to filk as "fan music", in parallel to fanfic and fanart, creates at least as many problems as it solves -- and that it is not a good analogy by which to sell the material to those outside the community.
In particular, I think comparing or equating filk with fanfic is a really, really bad idea. For good or ill, fanfic has a huge hornets' nest of baggage and controversy associated with it, part of which involves explicit legal divisions and copyright disagreements between fan and pro creators. Anyone who's familiar with fanfic tends to have strong opinions about some or all of these issues; anyone not familiar with fanfic tends to be greatly confused when attempts are made to discusss these issues. Most of those issues, however, are at best only minimally relevant to filk music and filk musicians. As a result, equating filk and fanfic is (a) a poor analogy in many respects, and (b) likely to lead those on whom the analogy is used to draw incorrect or biased conclusions.
On the flip side, I entirely agree with the practice of referring to SF-con guests and programming tracks as "music" rather than "filk" -- because I think "filk" is losing some of its usefulness as a descriptor as the community and the body of filk material evolve.
"Filk" is of limited use nowadays as a descriptor for performers. It doesn't quantify quality or professional status; Tom and Seanan and I are all filk performers, but Tom's a full-time pro, Seanan's got pro-level talent but works a non-musical day job, and I sing in convention circles but know better than to put myself in their league vocally. And it doesn't quantify repertoire in a meaningful sense; many filk performers do mostly their own material, while others do a range of original work, covers, and/or traditional works from a wide variety of sources.
"Filk" is of equally limited use as a descriptor of theme or content. While the filk community's origins are rooted strongly in SF/fantasy fandom, much of the popular material arising from the community doesn't include SF/F content. "Talk Like A Pirate Day" isn't fantasy/SF-based, to give one example; alternately, a look at a recent issue of Xenofilkia includes songs drawing on current events and classical literature as well as SFnal material.
Nor is "filk" a reliable descriptor of musical style at present; it encompasses traditional Celtic material, modern folk-rock, oldies rock-and-roll, riffs on Gilbert & Sullivan, and more. This is the review I wrote of Stars Fall Home, Seanan McGuire's new album. I mentioned filk exactly once, and then in the context of my own tastes rather than that of the album itself -- and I did so precisely because I wanted to pitch that entry to the portion of my LJ readership that isn't filk-literate.
Now, "the filk community" is a meaningful descriptor -- of the community, rather than the music. And therein lies part of the rub; the filk community has done such a darned good job of being inclusive, of welcoming everyone from full-on pros to the nearly tone-deaf, that it's made itself difficult to generalize about.
So for me, the problem is less one of defining filk musically -- which is more or less impossible these days -- than of how to evangelize about it effectively.