We Know What's Best For The Little Woman

[filkertom]

By way of vixyish: Read, and read. And then, after you're done throwing up and gnashing your teeth and cursing these fucking evil moron Puritan babysitter wannabes to the skies, act, and act.

ETA: Honestly, gang, while I appreciate you asking if you can copy a link, you can pretty much assume that if I put the links up here and tell you to go do something about them, [a] they're reasonably safe, at least on a browser/system security basis, and [b] it's okay to copy 'em to your own LJ or wherever. Dang, but I've got a polite buncha friends. :)

Comments

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You've made your position perfectly clear. I understand it; I reject it, as flawed logic:

Imagine you're a nurse at a birthing center. Your job description at the time of hire was to assist in pre-natal care and the child birthing process.

That's your entire job description. One day, the government issues an edict stating that you must also perform abortions. This violates your religious beliefs. Is it right that the government should be able to force your firing?

In this case, you again deliberately overlook the option of the nurse quitting. New job responsibilities are common in all fields; the options are always perform them or not, quit if you don't like it, or protest and be let go if you don't perform. Healthcare not only is not, but SHOULD NOT BE privileged in this regard, because the clients are people whose lives might be at stake if a worker errs or fails to perform.

You can like it or not; you can agree or not -- but believe me, I understand you're trying to discriminate against ME as a patient on the basis of your hypothetical worker's religious beliefs. S/he took a license; she can perform or find other work.

It's the responsibility of the government to ensure equal treatment of its citizens
Since when?

You're being disingenuous. That's the point of all the nondiscrimination legislation on the books. Or have you never heard of -- or discount, as a matter of policy -- such legislation as the Civil Rights Act? (Or perhaps your version of "libertarian" is the "I've got mine; screw you" variety?)

what discrimination? this is not an argument about a professional offering a service to one group of people and denying it to others...Again, if this were a situation of them offering the service to one group and not another, I would applaud you...Again, we're not talking about people who are saying, "yes, you can have this procedure, but you can't" We're talking about people who say "We don't do this procedure, at all"

This is precisely, exactly, and specifically the heart of the argument. For example, this recent ruling by the California Supreme Court that doctors cannot refuse to inseminate lesbians, based on the doctors' feelings about lesbians.

Stand up and clap for me. Then sit down and shut up. I'm done with you and your wishing the world was as you wished it, not as it is. (Which, I point out, is a very modern Republican thing to do. It's what they've done very publicly for eight years.)

I expect you'll want and take the last word, and will once again willfully misinterpret my words, or insist that I haven't spoken to your hypotheticals. Go ahead, and feel vindicated and superior. I've had it, arguing with a rock. I have actual, productive work to do, where they won't allow me to yatter back at you.

Good night.