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... who says Barack Obama is indulging in "Kenyan, anti-colonialist behavior".

I understand Mr. Gingrich is, to this day, considered an intellectual giant of the conservative movement. I have never been able to fathom how. All of his behavior seems to be typically self-serving, filled with lies, fear-mongering, and a smarmy certainty that he will not be called on his bullshit.

By comparison, Pat Buchanan is honest.

We are the Nuts who say "NEWT!"

Date: 2010-09-12 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] admnaismith.livejournal.com


Wait, so "anti-colonialist" is now considered a BAD thing?

I guess we gotta go on a pilgrimage to King George's tomb and apologize or something.

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Date: 2010-09-12 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ashkitty.livejournal.com
I'm having trouble working out why 'Kenyan anti-colonialist' is, you know, bad. Weird.

Also, this part:

"I think he worked very hard at being a person who is normal, reasonable, moderate, bipartisan, transparent, accommodating -- none of which was true.

Bullshit. If he were a bit less of any of those things, a lot more would have gotten done. :p

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Date: 2010-09-12 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capplor.livejournal.com
Newt got his reputation because he "rose from humble beginnings" to be a college professor & then went into politics. His "Contract on for America" made him seem like an idea man.

Personally, I haven't been overly impressed with him. But I still need to keep an ear on him because if he says it, every conservative for the next 4000 miles will be saying it too.

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Date: 2010-09-12 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcgtrf.livejournal.com
You're right, Tom. Pat Buchanan is 100% more honest.

Newt has always had an exaggerated idea of both his intellectual abilities and his mandate. In truth, he mouths platitudes that he expects folks to pick up and re-distribute, even though they're meaningless.

Guys like him are one reason that I am not a conservative (the second big one is that they support both Imperialist wars and Corporatist Culture).

I fully expect him to, once again, confuse the anti-Democratic landslide in November with a Republican mandate (the same way that the more liberal Democrats mistook the election of Obama as President for a Democratic one).

By not realizing that the present economic crisis is not due to Republicans or Democrats, but due to our economic theorists neglecting the role of private debt in calculations of GDP, the Republicans like Newt will overreach and set the stage for a Hillary presidency in 2012.

Tom

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Date: 2010-09-12 08:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sdelmonte
You've seen such sterling figures as Beck and Palin. Compared to them, yes, Newt is a genius.

I call that "damning with faint praise."

Re: We are the Nuts who say "NEWT!"

Date: 2010-09-12 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchkitty.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm trying to parse that one, myself.

Oh. Wait. "Kenyan anti-colonialist."
That decrypts as "uppity blacks trying to rise above their appointed station".

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Date: 2010-09-12 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com
One can only hope.

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Date: 2010-09-12 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardnerhill.livejournal.com
Damn my eyes, what's the ruddy point of bringing the Gatlings and howitzers into the bush to subdue the fuzzy-wuzzies into working our rubber and coffee plantations if they're going to make a bleeding fuss about it? I mean, really -- we brought them syphilis and Christianity, what more do they want? More tea, Gunga Din, chop-chop!

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Date: 2010-09-12 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] admnaismith.livejournal.com

More to the point, I expect Obama and the Congressional Democrats to confuse any anti-Democratic landslide in November with a Republican mandate.

After all, they confused 2008's PRO-Democratic landslide with a Republican mandate; of course they'll capitulate when they once again have someone in DC to capitulate to.

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Date: 2010-09-12 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-caton.livejournal.com
Please don't mix fuzzywuzzies with indians....... fuzzywuzzies is Afghans, at least I think that's where Lance Cpl Jones fought for Kitchener....
Gunga Din is Indian, CHAR WALLAH JELDHI JELDHI!

It is a regrettable fact that the lesser races have never appreciated the imposition of Civilization. };=89

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Date: 2010-09-13 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
Now, now... Tolerance is ALLOWANCE, not ACCEPTANCE.

Let's allow him to be a dick even though we needn't accept his dickery.

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Date: 2010-09-13 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
I'm just aghast that "anti-colonialist" is considered a bad thing.

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Date: 2010-09-13 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
By not realizing that the present economic crisis is not due to Republicans or Democrats, but due to our economic theorists neglecting the role of private debt in calculations of GDP, the Republicans like Newt will overreach and set the stage for a Hillary presidency in 2012.

This... I have GOT to hear!

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Date: 2010-09-13 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcgtrf.livejournal.com
You talking about Hillary winning or the neglect of the change in private debt being taken into consideration in GDP calculations?

If it's the latter, send me your email address and I'll forward you the article by Steve Keen demonstrating what happens when you include the delta change in private debt. I can't really quote it out here in the clear because it's copyrighted material from a subscription service.

Tom

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Date: 2010-09-13 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tcgtrf.livejournal.com
Keep in mind that the Zulu warriors were "anti-colonialist" when they massacred British soldiers and settlers in East Africa in the late 19th Century. Something being bad does not guarantee that the "anti-something" is necessarily good.

Tom

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Date: 2010-09-13 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com
I'm confused, are you saying the "massacred British soldiers and settlers in East Africa" was a good thing or a bad thing? Because that was Zulu land before the brits came in and took it over. If someone forced you off your property wouldn't you fight back?

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Date: 2010-09-13 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
I'm confused too, considering how utterly fundamental "kill those who want to steal my land/property/etc" is to most libertarians' worldviews, at least when it's Us whose stuff is being taken.

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Date: 2010-09-13 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
The first.

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Date: 2010-09-13 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
To be fair, WE were a colony, once.

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Date: 2010-09-13 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
I can't believe I'm doing this, but...

Tom just said that something like that would be bad, and while he would probably fight back, perhaps even to a fatal degree, that wouldn't necessarily be "good".

.
.
.

I need a shower.

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Date: 2010-09-13 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
And American national mythology is generally built around the changing of that fact.

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Date: 2010-09-13 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
No, but it at least makes the anti-something not an automatic insult. Anti-something good is bad by definition. Anti-something bad might or might not be.

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Date: 2010-09-13 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
Yes, and we did some pretty ghastly things to the local population in the process. I think after enough generations there's a nativization process, by which it becomes basically unreasonable to kick people out just because their ancestors acquired the land by unfair means. But it doesn't make the means any less unfair. I don't try to justify the colonization of North America by Europeans of varying stripes, I just live here anyway.

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Date: 2010-09-13 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
Which is why I support reparations as a means of amends.

And either way, the result would be the same, many human beings, including women and children, killed.

Hate to tell ya this, but Indians (yes, that's what I call them, respectfully) weren't ALL noble, they were just as subject to brutality and cruelty as ANY large group of people.

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Date: 2010-09-13 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
I don't quite see where you get, from anything I've said, the theory that Native Americans were, or are, any more noble than the rest of us. Humans are humans. Most groups of humans have been pretty noxious toward each other at varying times in their history, depending partly on the culture, partly on the availability of natural resources, and partly on the power they had at their disposal with which to make other people do what they wanted. If you're looking for someone naive to correct, you've got the wrong person.

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Date: 2010-09-13 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
It was an area-affect statement, not directed at you specifically.

Not my fault you failed your "dodge rhetoric" roll.

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Date: 2010-09-13 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
Evidently, nothing's your fault; it's all the fault of whomever you can find to snark at. I'm not interested.

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Date: 2010-09-13 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
(Shrugs) At least I'm equal-opportunity.

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Date: 2010-09-13 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pocketnaomi.livejournal.com
So you seem to be, yes. I'm not. I use snark as a tactic, only where it's individually earned. I find it boring as a game; also much less effective, since when it's thrown at everyone who passes within reach it loses any impact.

Keep your little game going if you choose. I'm dropping it here, as it fails to amuse.

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Date: 2010-09-13 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
Okay, how 'bout this?

There's a Jew, a Irishman and an Italian, they're in Africa and they get captured by this tribe of cannibals, and the chief come up and says....

Ya hoid this one before?

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Date: 2010-09-13 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] armb.livejournal.com
> Afghans, at least I think that's where Lance Cpl Jones fought for Kitchener....

No, the Sudan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzy-Wuzzy

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Date: 2010-09-14 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dan-ad-nauseam.livejournal.com
And, of course, there's a meme among the conservative that Those Damn Libruls are improperly equating conservatism with racism.

'Taint so! We're calling them on it when they do coincide.

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Date: 2010-09-15 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] r-caton.livejournal.com
You're right my friend...
but they still don't like the old cold steel sir,
they don't like it up 'em!!

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Date: 2010-09-17 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alverant.livejournal.com
Here's the problem; the settlers were not the ones who took the land but were killed anyway. To defend the Zulus you'd also have to defend the Palestinian terrorists because they too have had their land taken away from them by a large governing body with better weapons. It sounded too much like he empathized with those who killed to protect inanimate objects.

At what point do you realize that sometimes your life's philosophy may not be the best thing?

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