"Prenatal Murder"

[filkertom]

The same flake in Georgia who tried to reclassify rape victims as "accusers" is at it again. Basically, his new tripe bill not only potentially criminalizes miscarriages, up to the death penalty, but puts the onus of proof on the woman that the miscarriage wasn't an accident.

Must be nice, being an utter shitheel of a white conservative lawmaker, that he can spend his time worrying about this stuff.

Comments

[kilbia.livejournal.com]

http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/02/25/are-you-there-representative-bobby-franklin-its-me-devery/

[filkertom.livejournal.com]

Excellent. Everyone, go read this. It's great.

[batyatoon]

Tiger Beatdown is so awesome.

[kestrels-nest.livejournal.com]

Brilliant.

[lemmozine.livejournal.com]

The sad thing is there are perfectly decent intelligent people - people we both know - who may be Republicans, Libertarians, conservative independents, in the anti-tax part of the tea party, and so on, who simply don't get it that they are lying in bed with white supremacists, racists, anti-semites, and traitors whose only goal is to turn the US into a totalitarian fascist state where what few of the poor are allowed to live will be either outright slaves or kept in storage to be mined for spare parts.

Or am I going overboard? Y'know, it's sad, but I don't think I am.

[james-the-evil1.livejournal.com]

You're not.

[ashkitty.livejournal.com]

Well, we know 'innocent until proven guilty' doesn't apply to women and brown people. Way to take a really traumatic, miserable time in somebody's life and make it even worse. Seriously.

[nimitzbrood.livejournal.com]

Y'know...it's time like this I suddenly remember that there are a ton of buoyant and non-toxic items in our garbage dumps.

Why? Because we could mine those, tie/weld/epoxy them together and make a damn new floating piece of land out in the ocean to either send these idiocrats to or move to ourselves.

I'm just so sick of these idiots...

[realinterrobang.livejournal.com]

So, how long after this legislation passes will doctors and hospitals stop treating miscarrying women, or any women with any pregnancy complications whatsoever, out of fear of being charged with "accessory to" and/or the liability risk from loss of licensure during a murder investigation?

[neadods.livejournal.com]

This is why the doctors and hospitals will fight this. Along with the many, many women (and relatives of same) who've had miscarriages.

[realinterrobang.livejournal.com]

Yeah, no kidding, or at least they'd better realise which side their bread is actually buttered on, which was sort of my point.

Martin Luther would have felt right at home with the flake in Georgia.

[jenk]

Hell, what about Kotex? Very very early miscarriages, aka "fertilized egg doesn't implant", look like periods.

[krings-keep.livejournal.com]

I made a stand that I was a pre-meditated murderer multiple times ---

Cause I take birth control pills!!

Some nut tried to have me arrested for it... Talk about a FLAKE!!

[smallship1.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry. This is obviously my fault (scroll down a bit). I don't know how, but this idiot must have encountered my post, missed the irony completely and thought "gawrsh, that sounds like a good idea."

Seriously, it seems likely on the face of it that this thing in Georgia and the South Dakota thing earlier are simply stages in a co-ordinated campaign across all the states the GOP controls. Expect several more assaults on abortion rights from widely separated states. Advocates of choice will end up having to fight on twelve fronts simultaneously, and nobody can do that and win every time.

I don't know what the solution is. Beyond abolishing democracy and installing a liberal tyranny, I mean.

[nagasvoice.livejournal.com]

It'd help to overturn the decision on Citizens United based on Justice Thomas's failure to recuse himself from a case in which he had active financial interest, via his wife's lobbying job.

[maiac.livejournal.com]

[nitpicking] Do you mean, the onus is on the woman to prove that the miscarriage was an accident and not induced?

This isn't about "protecting life". This is, of course, about controlling women and treating them like the Occasions of Sin that they are. It's so easy to pass judgment on other people, and so satisfying, too.

I am reminded of the people I know who've worked at clinics where abortions are performed. Some of the same people who have been out front yelling "Baby killer!" at women going in the front door have come in themselves, or brought their daughters in, for an abortion because their situation is different and it's not murder when they have an unwanted pregancy.

[starcat-jewel.livejournal.com]

Yes. The only moral abortion is MY abortion.

[filkertom.livejournal.com]

I thought of that article immediately upon reading Maia's comment. Yet another, particularly odious in this case, example of both "Good For Me, Not For Thee" and IOKIYAR.

[jenrose]

Because that's just what I would have needed on one of the worst days of my entire life.

How fucking dare they.

[batyatoon]

This. Word for word, this.

[kestrels-nest.livejournal.com]

Likewise.

[zellion.livejournal.com]

It's a given that these fuckheads don't view women as actual people.

[catlin.livejournal.com]

Ho boy. Back to the medical professionals having to treat all women as pre Pregnant, for purposes of medical care, which would mean no pain care, no anesthetics, limited antibiotics etc... Just to keep out of jail.

[james-the-evil1.livejournal.com]

Well, since these same people want to make sure none of us get medical care...

[james-the-evil1.livejournal.com]

Tim, I hijacked your "Here's to the ladies" post a little bit the other day with a comment about this.

Something I've seen mentioned in a few articles about all these outrageous assaults on womens' reproductive freedoms is that some of the right-wingers encourage the whackjobs like this to speak out because it makes the rest of what they do seem less bad.

It's sort of the death of a thousand cuts scenario... Everyone's been paying attention to the national efforts to de-fund Planned Parenthood, and then this clown opens his mouth.

All of a sudden, not only is attention deflected away from the PP funding issue, but it doesn't seem to BAD... "Well, what's losing funding vs criminalizing a miscarriage, or making it 'justifiable homicide' to shoot a Doctor? Why, de-funding sounds positively wonderful!"

And the sad thing is, the tactic often WORKS. :-(

[filkertom.livejournal.com]

I saw that there, but honestly you cover it a little better here. The important thing about this is how it's covered. The mainstream media tends to cover these things exactly as you say -- as if all this stuff is in a vacuum. It's part of the whole lack-of-context, no-knowledge-of-cause-and-effect thing that makes some of us so CRAZY.

On the other hand, there are quite a few in the blogosphere who immediately picked up that all these things are hitting at once, and it's obviously a mass (if not necessarily concerted) effort to shove in whatever controls over womens' bodies and sexuality they can get. Heinous, to my way of thinking, but then -- as I said in "Here's To The Ladies" -- I think women are to be cherished, appreciated, and thanked, not controlled, dehumanized, and marginalized.

[james-the-evil1.livejournal.com]

Absolutely. I'd literally just read it when I posted the other comment & was so frothing mad I had trouble discussing it coherently.

And you're dead on about the media coverage, I get nuts when I hear people (my father being one of them) rant about "the liberal media" when most of the media is taking the TeaPublicanKoch line on the union issues, or talking about the justifiable homicide law failing in South Dakota as "infant endangerment protection struck down" and such.

Part of the problem is that liberal and progressive ideas are often presented in an idea-based fashion that's just too difficult for most people to follow. HuffPo had an article yesterday by a liberal Dem on how/why the other side does such a good job at controlling & framing the debate, and basically said it's because they have simple, clear ideas... even if they're often wrong & based on lies... while progressives usually come across as fuzzy headed dreamers. Unfortunately his ARTICLE was full of 50 cent words and complicated phrasing so it even came across that way.

Like you say, the blogoshphere is getting it right, but there again the swayed audience is more often those who are already sympathetic. I look at the comments on news stories, even on sites like HuffPo, and so many of them show a blind allegiance to the other ideas, plus I think about people like my father, or some of the younger people who've been raised indoctrinated & taught not to think, and I fear for the future. :-(