Well, at least with this crowd. I know some people who are very religious and sufficiently organized, they just don't have any clergy, and they are extremely honest as a whole.
In fact, most of us who have a faith in God tend to be embarrassed by preachers like this.
That's all too typical, especially in these Evangelical circles. These independent pastors have no effective oversight. The Church's Board of Directors is usually filled with family and cronies so that it's little more than a rubber stamp. The ministry becomes little more than the pastor's personal ATM machine.
The problem is really prevalent here in Dallas, home to more of these giant eyesore wannabe cathedrals and the business headquarters of half of America's biggest televangelists.
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion. ~ Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg
1) Most likely, this guy will never spend a day in jail for looting his church.
2) In fact, he'll probably continue to have a following until the day he dies. It may be at this church, it might be another one that he'll start after he's stripped this one bare, but the people he's fleeced will never turn their backs on him. Lends whole new levels of meaning to the description of a pastor as "the shepherd of his flock", doesn't it?
My marching band played a couple of gigs at the Crystal Cathedral in the mid-eighties, and my family attended some of their holiday ...spectacles. They were awesome to look at, but not very personal -- sort of like if Michael Bay had directed _The Last Temptation of Christ_.
Rev. Schuller always came across to me as too-well-polished, and that was twenty-five years ago. Sorry to see he continued down that path.
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Date: 2011-11-05 03:14 pm (UTC)In fact, most of us who have a faith in God tend to be embarrassed by preachers like this.
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Date: 2011-11-04 09:03 pm (UTC)The problem is really prevalent here in Dallas, home to more of these giant eyesore wannabe cathedrals and the business headquarters of half of America's biggest televangelists.
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Date: 2011-11-05 05:02 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-11-04 09:31 pm (UTC)With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion. ~ Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg
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Date: 2011-11-05 03:54 am (UTC)1) Most likely, this guy will never spend a day in jail for looting his church.
2) In fact, he'll probably continue to have a following until the day he dies. It may be at this church, it might be another one that he'll start after he's stripped this one bare, but the people he's fleeced will never turn their backs on him. Lends whole new levels of meaning to the description of a pastor as "the shepherd of his flock", doesn't it?
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Date: 2011-11-05 06:36 am (UTC)*("No High Ground" -- & boy, has _that_ song been on my mind the last month or so...)
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Date: 2011-11-05 05:00 am (UTC)I also remember something about False Prophets who will fool even the elect & come as wolves in lamb's clothing.
But they must not be in the Bible because guys like this would have seen it.
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Date: 2011-11-05 06:39 am (UTC)They ignore the old testiment, also
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Date: 2011-11-05 02:35 pm (UTC)Rev. Schuller always came across to me as too-well-polished, and that was twenty-five years ago. Sorry to see he continued down that path.