Vice Presidential Debate Open Thread
Oct. 5th, 2004 04:01 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
filkertomSo, I'll be watching on C-Span.org tonight. I understand Faux News is not providing cameras; let's hope they do that split-screen again.
If it happens that you're not following it online through any of the several dozen blogs that plan to "liveblog" the debate, or even if you are, feel free to comment here.
(I do have to share one line Randi Rhodes got off today, in her characterization of the debate as "Prince Charming vs. the Prince of Darkness": "Edwards rose from the working class; Cheney rose from the dead....")
Update: I was misinformed. Apparently, Faux News is indeed doing the debate video. Fox Network is running a baseball game, which is why I got confused.
If it happens that you're not following it online through any of the several dozen blogs that plan to "liveblog" the debate, or even if you are, feel free to comment here.
(I do have to share one line Randi Rhodes got off today, in her characterization of the debate as "Prince Charming vs. the Prince of Darkness": "Edwards rose from the working class; Cheney rose from the dead....")
Update: I was misinformed. Apparently, Faux News is indeed doing the debate video. Fox Network is running a baseball game, which is why I got confused.
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Date: 2004-10-05 01:09 pm (UTC)Will comment later!
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Date: 2004-10-05 01:14 pm (UTC)Hasn't this whole election been about Charming vs. Sincere?
But it hasn't been all in song :-(
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Date: 2004-10-05 01:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-05 01:18 pm (UTC)Speaking of politics...
Date: 2004-10-05 01:41 pm (UTC)Re: Speaking of politics...
Date: 2004-10-05 02:38 pm (UTC)Extremism, no matter what form it takes, is supposed to be what we're fighting in the Middle East...or is it what runs this country....geeeeezus, I haven't a clue anymore!! HEEEEEEELLLLP!!
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Date: 2004-10-05 02:47 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-05 04:52 pm (UTC)Debate Predictions
Date: 2004-10-05 05:33 pm (UTC)My brother came up with a list of predictions for tonight but it's in my email at work...=[
10). In order to increase the Kerry/Edwards ticket's draw with women John Edwards plans on smiling at the camera and mouthing the words "I love you" whenever Dick Cheney is speaking.
shoot....I can't remember the rest. I know one involved Ann Coulter in Sun-goddess robes but I don't remember the details.
Re: Speaking of politics...
Date: 2004-10-05 06:32 pm (UTC)http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,1070431,00.html
According to the principal, it wasn't about the picture, it was about her getting into a shouting match with some parents the night before, and she made it be about the picture.
*wasn't there, doesn't know, just pointing towards an article that mentions the other side*
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Date: 2004-10-05 06:41 pm (UTC)"Ann Coulter in Sun-goddess robes"
Ackthptptptpt!
I have to go find some brain bleach now.
I got an e-mail from a friend describing this debate as "Breck vs. Shrek," which I thought was fairly amusing..
Re: Debate Predictions
Date: 2004-10-05 09:18 pm (UTC)So ...
Edwards got beat up on foreign stuff, but the last two-thirds were pretty even. But Edwards looked good and sounded better.
The debate is over. Kerry in '04.
-- Spoon
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Date: 2004-10-05 09:27 pm (UTC)I like to judge people by what they do and say, rather than what they look like. And if you ignore what he looks like, he seemed to make a better case for his side than Edwards did. He seemed to rely less on repeating the same sound bites over and over, whereas Edwards started out by repeating, word for word, a few of the things Kerry said in last week's debate.
Cheney also made a better show of at least pretending to answer the questions more of the time. Edwards did what the candidates usually do at these debates: wait for the moderator to shut up, then talk about whatever they wanted to talk about in the first place.
Of course, the above judges tonight's debate in vacuo. Cheney still has his record to contend with. (Or the last year or so, however much people remember.)
And it took either balls or ignorance for Cheney to mention factcheck.org, since five of the items there right now are about Republican distortions, vs. two Democratic ones.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-05 10:53 pm (UTC)Meanwhile, Al Franken is doing his show (free) here in Columbus on Thursday morning at the Arena. I'll see if I can't get a question in on-air. :)
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Date: 2004-10-06 03:17 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-06 03:19 am (UTC)I was tempted to shlep down to Columbus just for that. Have fun!
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Date: 2004-10-06 05:10 am (UTC)Being on hand, I do have to say that Edwards -looked- better up there - even if he was coming a bit unglued towards the last 5 minutes or so. Cheney doesnt know how to -smile-. The man's worse than Oscar the Grouch. (Something I never expected to say about -anyone-.) Aside from that, Cheney made the mistake of underestimating edwards, I think. He didnt seem to respect his opponent much, although that may just be my personal opinion.
That being said, it was a very intresting bit of debate that should set the tone for Kerry V.s Bush Round 2...and will probably eat a few more points out of bushes so-called lead, with his veep acting like Frankenstien...no, wait, that's an insult to frankenstien. Like the Mummy, Yeah. The Mummy never smiled...and he was damn ugly too.
Re: Debate Predictions
Date: 2004-10-06 06:49 am (UTC)Top Ten Predictions for the Vice-Presidential debate
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10. Edwards keeps mouthing "I love you" to the camera while Cheney is speaking. The WE and Lifetime networks instantly call the election for Edwards-Kerry.
9. In keeping with the theme of the debate (Fighting the Undead) Edwards comes dressed as the guy from the "Evil Dead" movies, complete with chainsaw and shotgun. In a curious wardrobe mix-up Cheney dresses as a zombie from the same movies.
8. In an blatant attempt to pander to female voters Edwards maximizes his sex appeal by appearing for the debate wearing an open shirt to show off his chest. In a similar strategy Cheney continues to fake breathing.
7. Midway through the debate Cheney lies so much he is actually struck by lightening. Oddly, afterwards, the breathing no longer looks fake.
6. Immediately after the debate CNN cuts back to (the traitor) Robert Novak for a comment only to discover him glassy eyed, drooling, mumbling the name "Cheney", and in immediate need of a hand-check.
5. In keeping with the "collegial" theme of the campaign midway through the debate Edwards leans over and stabs Cheney through the heart. Undisturbed, Cheney continues to drive home his point that Iraq is the home of international terrorism and that Osama and Saddam were "unnatural" lovers and Massachusetts liberals.
4. Cheney publicly expresses his support for post-natal abortions and offers up Edwards as the first. (The curtain raises and an Aztec altar is wheeled forward, complete with Ann Coulter in Sun-goddess robes.)
3. Underwear being thrown onstage for a rock concert is normal but it does tend to disrupt the flow of a vp debate. I just wish it had been clean and not Tucker Carlson's.
2. Cheney succeeds in garnering an amount of sympathy among the over 65 crowd when he fakes three heart attacks during the first half of the debate. Not to be outdone, Edwards works to garner favor among the female watchers by dropping his pen and bending over to pick it up several times. WE, Lifetime, and the Out Network create a highlight reel featuring these scenes exclusively, in slow motion.
1. As per the fine print of the 32-page agreement Cheney is allowed to walk on to the stage to Darth Vader's theme from the Star Wars Trilogy. Edwards chooses the song "When a man loves a woman."
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A. After the 92nd repetition of "Hope is on the Way" Cheney's head actually explodes.
B. In a moment of vulnerability Cheney admits to Edwards "You know, you are a mighty fine looking man…."
Since we're talking politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 07:46 am (UTC)Re: Since we're talking politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 07:55 am (UTC)Kinda Insulting to Chuck, Though
Date: 2004-10-06 08:19 am (UTC)Re: Speaking of politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 08:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-06 09:18 am (UTC)That said, a friend here at work came up with a perfect description of Cheney though
He's that old guy who lived across the street. When you hit your ball into his yard he ran out and grabbed it and yelled "THIS IS MINE NOW, YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT BACK"
Re: Speaking of politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 09:19 am (UTC)*insert speculation here*
It's possible that at the time they were contacted, they were hoping / assuming it wasn't going to be the enormous issue it's since become. The story I posted was written two days later, after they would have known that they were receiving more attention than just local interest, and thus they may have been more willing to come forward with "their side" rather than continue to keep things within the school board. I'm guessing it's not standard procedure to start talking about the school's problems with a teacher on the news, and that they'd have a blanket "no comment" for any like situation. That would have to change if/when the teacher went on national television. Ergo, a later story with the principal's side. /speculation
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Date: 2004-10-06 11:34 am (UTC)Go take a look, but not if you are somewhere where you have to be quiet
I can't stop laughing
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Date: 2004-10-06 12:31 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-06 01:25 pm (UTC)Re: Since we're talking politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 01:40 pm (UTC)And for what it's worth, while the Bible condemns male homosexual sex, I don't believe it has anything to say on the subject of female homosexuality.
Re: Since we're talking politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 01:45 pm (UTC)In fact, God's law says a lot of things. "No shrimp, no pants on women, always carry a stick. It's God's law, shouldn't it be ours, too?" has a certain ring to it.
Re: Since we're talking politics...
Date: 2004-10-06 01:59 pm (UTC)Let's not forget the oft-broken "no clothing made of two different fibers" edict from Leviticus.
How many fundie preachers have you seen in bad poly-cotton blends?
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Date: 2004-10-06 04:36 pm (UTC)Oh, another little tidbit about the Creep ... er, Veep being able to keep his facts straight? In the "Posture Pals" link you provided below, Cheney gave factcheck.com as a URL to look up. That ridirects to georgesoros.com, which is entirely anti-Bush. He meant to give factcheck.org ... whose lead item yesterday was that Bush is mischaracterizing Kerry's health plan. Beauty.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-10-06 04:39 pm (UTC)I'm still amused that Cheney was the man tasked with finding a VP candidate in 2000, and came up with himself. Talk about your inside track...
Eeyagh! My bad!
Date: 2004-10-06 05:03 pm (UTC)