Dreams Of Noise

Fantastic. Keep an eye on how each one looks when the other is speaking....

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redaxe.livejournal.com

Prince Charming vs. the Prince of Darkness

Hasn't this whole election been about Charming vs. Sincere?

But it hasn't been all in song :-(

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That was one of my favorite lines from Into The Woods.

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sarekofvulcan.livejournal.com

Huh?

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skull-leader3.livejournal.com

WTF?!?!?!

Extremism, no matter what form it takes, is supposed to be what we're fighting in the Middle East...or is it what runs this country....geeeeezus, I haven't a clue anymore!! HEEEEEEELLLLP!!

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mtgat

This was at the bottom of the comments:

http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,1070431,00.html

According to the principal, it wasn't about the picture, it was about her getting into a shouting match with some parents the night before, and she made it be about the picture.

*wasn't there, doesn't know, just pointing towards an article that mentions the other side*

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skull-leader3.livejournal.com

Interesting...but it begs a question: Why wasn't anyone from the school or the Board of Education willing to appear on camera to give their side of the story? If it was as simple as a teacher getting into a political "shouting match" with parents, wouldn't you think the administration would be eager to tell their side, and perhaps back up their assertions?

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mtgat

Dunno. Again, wasn't there.

*insert speculation here*

It's possible that at the time they were contacted, they were hoping / assuming it wasn't going to be the enormous issue it's since become. The story I posted was written two days later, after they would have known that they were receiving more attention than just local interest, and thus they may have been more willing to come forward with "their side" rather than continue to keep things within the school board. I'm guessing it's not standard procedure to start talking about the school's problems with a teacher on the news, and that they'd have a blanket "no comment" for any like situation. That would have to change if/when the teacher went on national television. Ergo, a later story with the principal's side. /speculation

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eleri.livejournal.com

I've listened to Randi a few times, and honestly, I'm just not impressed. The only difference between her spouting off and Rush's spouting off is the angle. The tone, additude and immaturity is about the same.

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No disagreement, except for one devastatingly important thing: Randi, for the most part, has her facts right. Rush almost never does. Apart from that, yeah, I don't listen to her much. Actually, Unfiltered is becoming my favorite show, along with most of the first hour of The Al Franken Show and Majority Report.

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skipjim.livejournal.com

Shoot shoot shoot....

My brother came up with a list of predictions for tonight but it's in my email at work...=[

10). In order to increase the Kerry/Edwards ticket's draw with women John Edwards plans on smiling at the camera and mouthing the words "I love you" whenever Dick Cheney is speaking.

shoot....I can't remember the rest. I know one involved Ann Coulter in Sun-goddess robes but I don't remember the details.

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:-) If you can find the rest, I'd love to hear.

So ...

Edwards got beat up on foreign stuff, but the last two-thirds were pretty even. But Edwards looked good and sounded better.

The debate is over. Kerry in '04.

-- Spoon

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skipjim.livejournal.com

My only defense is that I didn't write it!

Top Ten Predictions for the Vice-Presidential debate
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10. Edwards keeps mouthing "I love you" to the camera while Cheney is speaking. The WE and Lifetime networks instantly call the election for Edwards-Kerry.
9. In keeping with the theme of the debate (Fighting the Undead) Edwards comes dressed as the guy from the "Evil Dead" movies, complete with chainsaw and shotgun. In a curious wardrobe mix-up Cheney dresses as a zombie from the same movies.
8. In an blatant attempt to pander to female voters Edwards maximizes his sex appeal by appearing for the debate wearing an open shirt to show off his chest. In a similar strategy Cheney continues to fake breathing.
7. Midway through the debate Cheney lies so much he is actually struck by lightening. Oddly, afterwards, the breathing no longer looks fake.
6. Immediately after the debate CNN cuts back to (the traitor) Robert Novak for a comment only to discover him glassy eyed, drooling, mumbling the name "Cheney", and in immediate need of a hand-check.
5. In keeping with the "collegial" theme of the campaign midway through the debate Edwards leans over and stabs Cheney through the heart. Undisturbed, Cheney continues to drive home his point that Iraq is the home of international terrorism and that Osama and Saddam were "unnatural" lovers and Massachusetts liberals.
4. Cheney publicly expresses his support for post-natal abortions and offers up Edwards as the first. (The curtain raises and an Aztec altar is wheeled forward, complete with Ann Coulter in Sun-goddess robes.)
3. Underwear being thrown onstage for a rock concert is normal but it does tend to disrupt the flow of a vp debate. I just wish it had been clean and not Tucker Carlson's.
2. Cheney succeeds in garnering an amount of sympathy among the over 65 crowd when he fakes three heart attacks during the first half of the debate. Not to be outdone, Edwards works to garner favor among the female watchers by dropping his pen and bending over to pick it up several times. WE, Lifetime, and the Out Network create a highlight reel featuring these scenes exclusively, in slow motion.
1. As per the fine print of the 32-page agreement Cheney is allowed to walk on to the stage to Darth Vader's theme from the Star Wars Trilogy. Edwards chooses the song "When a man loves a woman."

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A. After the 92nd repetition of "Hope is on the Way" Cheney's head actually explodes.
B. In a moment of vulnerability Cheney admits to Edwards "You know, you are a mighty fine looking man…."

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nuveena.livejournal.com

"Ann Coulter in Sun-goddess robes"

Ackthptptptpt!

I have to go find some brain bleach now.

I got an e-mail from a friend describing this debate as "Breck vs. Shrek," which I thought was fairly amusing..

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ericcoleman

I've always said that Ann is the designated fluffer for the republican party

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As much as I hate to say this, I think Cheney won this debate.

I like to judge people by what they do and say, rather than what they look like. And if you ignore what he looks like, he seemed to make a better case for his side than Edwards did. He seemed to rely less on repeating the same sound bites over and over, whereas Edwards started out by repeating, word for word, a few of the things Kerry said in last week's debate.

Cheney also made a better show of at least pretending to answer the questions more of the time. Edwards did what the candidates usually do at these debates: wait for the moderator to shut up, then talk about whatever they wanted to talk about in the first place.

Of course, the above judges tonight's debate in vacuo. Cheney still has his record to contend with. (Or the last year or so, however much people remember.)

And it took either balls or ignorance for Cheney to mention factcheck.org, since five of the items there right now are about Republican distortions, vs. two Democratic ones.

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It was pretty much a knife fight, wasn't it? I think it was a draw, with both men scoring some remarkably vicious points. Edwards missed several openings, partially because he kept backtracking to answer the previous questions more fully and try to refute Cheney's copious lies; Cheney drove home many points decisively, until they get fact-checked because he lied through his fuckin' teeth almost constantly. One guy on the #Atrios IRC channel got the line of the night during Cheney's self-deprecating history -- "I was laid off, I was without insurance", that bit -- when he quoted "I was born a poor black child."

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ericcoleman

he meant to say factcheck.org ... what he said was factcheck.com ...

Go take a look, but not if you are somewhere where you have to be quiet

I can't stop laughing

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Yeah, I mentioned that in my journal.

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Mid-debate, I posted in my LJ that I thought it was a wash, but I've reconsidered. That Edwards was able to hold his own turned it into a narrow win for himself. I don't think it'll have much impact, though. One online poll (regretfully, I forget where) had this question: "Did the Edwards/Cheney debate () have no effect, your mind's made up -- () convince you to vote Bush -- () convince you to vote Kerry" The results when I saw it last were 70% no change, 13% vote Bush, 17% vote Kerry. In an election this close, even those four points can make a difference.

Meanwhile, Al Franken is doing his show (free) here in Columbus on Thursday morning at the Arena. I'll see if I can't get a question in on-air. :)

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I don't think anyone's mind was changed. But damn it was wide-ranging and substantive, wasn't it? Exactly the kind of thing that made me keep thinking, "Y'know, if not for these stupid restrictive rules, these guys could have a really interesting debate on this stuff".

I was tempted to shlep down to Columbus just for that. Have fun!

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james-rayner.livejournal.com

It was more than a -little- difficult to declare any kind of victory for either side. The debate was - to coin a phrase, a Mexican Standoff. Both of them were good, well briefed, and well prepared for this fight - And as such, both of them 'proved' themselves to be vice-el-presidential.

Being on hand, I do have to say that Edwards -looked- better up there - even if he was coming a bit unglued towards the last 5 minutes or so. Cheney doesnt know how to -smile-. The man's worse than Oscar the Grouch. (Something I never expected to say about -anyone-.) Aside from that, Cheney made the mistake of underestimating edwards, I think. He didnt seem to respect his opponent much, although that may just be my personal opinion.

That being said, it was a very intresting bit of debate that should set the tone for Kerry V.s Bush Round 2...and will probably eat a few more points out of bushes so-called lead, with his veep acting like Frankenstien...no, wait, that's an insult to frankenstien. Like the Mummy, Yeah. The Mummy never smiled...and he was damn ugly too.

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"Looking vice-presidential" has no real meaning after Dan Quayle. ;)

I'm still amused that Cheney was the man tasked with finding a VP candidate in 2000, and came up with himself. Talk about your inside track...

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Show starts at nine a.m. ... I plan to be at the Arena and in line sixish, just to be sure. Apparently, Al's been getting swamped on tour. Join us! It's only a five hour drive! ;)

Oh, another little tidbit about the Creep ... er, Veep being able to keep his facts straight? In the "Posture Pals" link you provided below, Cheney gave factcheck.com as a URL to look up. That ridirects to georgesoros.com, which is entirely anti-Bush. He meant to give factcheck.org ... whose lead item yesterday was that Bush is mischaracterizing Kerry's health plan. Beauty.

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The show starts at NOON, not nine!

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dubheach.livejournal.com

Kentucky is voting on a marriage amendment. If I hear "One man, one woman, God's law, shouldn't it be ours too?" belching forth from the radio one more time I may do something violent.

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Now, now, calm down. You can always point out that, by begetting his only son on a married woman, and not acknowledging him for thirty years, God is an adulterer who owes back child support....

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You can always point out that Jesus had two daddies.

And for what it's worth, while the Bible condemns male homosexual sex, I don't believe it has anything to say on the subject of female homosexuality.

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Actually, IIRC both Jehovah and Allah are perfectly fine with the idea of one man, several women. And Paul advocated not getting married in the first place. I think he said something along the lines of "It's okay to get married if you're not willing to castrate yourself."

In fact, God's law says a lot of things. "No shrimp, no pants on women, always carry a stick. It's God's law, shouldn't it be ours, too?" has a certain ring to it.

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nuveena.livejournal.com

Let's not forget the oft-broken "no clothing made of two different fibers" edict from Leviticus.

How many fundie preachers have you seen in bad poly-cotton blends?

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