One More Week To SWE3
May. 12th, 2005 10:50 amI am amused that Rotten Tomatoes has an "Episode 3 Tomatometer Watch" (currently 90% with 31 reviews) on its main page. We all know the emotional investment we have in this one.
And, yes, I know, some people are deliberately avoiding having emotional investment in this one. And others are, for whatever reasons, not big Star Wars fans. All that is cool. All I know is, I have to be there on the first weekend, although we're actually waiting until Sunday.
Okay, seriously, now -- what has to happen (besides little or no Jar Jar, or Jar Jar's horrible bloody demise, or Natalie Portman suddenly thinking she's in Showgirls, or Ewan MacGregor thinking he's in The Full Monty, or Li'l Han Solo shooting Li'l Greedo first), I say, what has to happen to make you happy with Revenge of the Sith?
And, yes, I know, some people are deliberately avoiding having emotional investment in this one. And others are, for whatever reasons, not big Star Wars fans. All that is cool. All I know is, I have to be there on the first weekend, although we're actually waiting until Sunday.
Okay, seriously, now -- what has to happen (besides little or no Jar Jar, or Jar Jar's horrible bloody demise, or Natalie Portman suddenly thinking she's in Showgirls, or Ewan MacGregor thinking he's in The Full Monty, or Li'l Han Solo shooting Li'l Greedo first), I say, what has to happen to make you happy with Revenge of the Sith?
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-12 03:17 pm (UTC)I truly want to see the real fall from goodness of Anakin. I want a true emotional roller-coaster as he self-destructs from Palpa.. err Sidious' manipulation. ;-)
I want it dark, I do not want a happy ending other than the twins being saved.
I want Mace to go out with a major bang and Yoda torn between fighting to the death and the Force leading him into seclusion.
I don't want just another excuse for special effects.
And a nudie scene with Natalie Portman wouldn't hurt! :-)
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:20 pm (UTC)I know its Lucas' party, he can screw up what he wants to, but I have to admit I do feel kinda betrayed by him. I showed Sabrina the original three SW flicks, and damn, they were just as much fun as I remember.
Part of what I realized about the New three is that I don't give a DAMN about a single character. And the characters that do continue (forward? back?) into SW, Empire or Jedi have all been shown to be clueless, idiots or dicks. I just know they are going to show us the Chewy is GAY or something.
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:45 pm (UTC)If you look sharp early in the film, you can see what appears to be the Millenium Falcon amongst some parked spaceships.
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:30 pm (UTC)More leaping about by Darth Maul's evil twin would be cool.
Just as long as it has some really truly decent acting,and some really truly decent writing along with the obligatory effects - I'll be happy.
Acting? Is that what they were doing?
Date: 2005-05-14 02:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-12 03:43 pm (UTC)Reshooting all the love scenes could only help. Worst evah!
Or maybe we should just send Anakin to see the Wizard to get a Heart. *sigh*
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Date: 2005-05-12 04:02 pm (UTC)You mean, worse even than "I don't like sand. It's rough and gritty, not like you. You're smooth."?
Pardon me while I spork out my eyes and ears.
Sandstorm. SANDSTORM!
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:48 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-12 03:52 pm (UTC)MACE WINDU: Why the fuck did you do that?!? Oh man I've seen some crazy ass shit in my time
ANAKIN: Hey man, I didn't mean to saber the son of a bitch, my saber just went off!
MACE WINDU: Well look at this fucking mess man! We're in Coruscant in broad daylight!
ANAKIN: I don't believe it
MACE WINDU: Well believe it now motherfucker! You know Yoda would tend to notice something like driving a speeder drenched in fucking Gungan guts!
Y'Know What They Call A Midichlorian In France?
Date: 2005-05-12 04:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:55 pm (UTC)What do I need to be happy? I want to be emotionally invested in the final light saber battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin. They handled characterization so poorly in Ep. 2 I'm thinking that might be impossible, but one must still live in hope. That scene just really should have been the emotional pay-off of the entire saga and I want more than just pretty special effects.
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Date: 2005-05-12 03:59 pm (UTC)Easy:
- Plot
- Characters
In a pinch, I'll settle for one or the other. And, of course, there are other things that would be nice: good acting, clever dialog, good music, pretty special effects, sets that don't look like next week's toy commercials, eye candy, etc., but that's all fluff. Plot and characters win every time.(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-12 08:50 pm (UTC)But since Yoda's going to kick some ass, I'll go. The reviews I've read have me somewhat hopeful.
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Date: 2005-05-12 04:00 pm (UTC)You know, when you've got a winner of an idea... I mean, let's think back to Ep. 2. Tattooine is hot, but the interior of that silver spaceship must have been mighty cold for poor, dear Padme. Her thermometers testified to that.
What must Georgie do to save Ep. 3 from being the Revenge of the Suck? Well, it's too late for him not to personally direct it. That man couldn't direct schoolchildren through a crosswalk, let alone actors. It will, I suspect, be fun to watch Hayden Christiansen get his ass whipped by Ewan MacGregor, so there's that much to look forward to, right? Of course, they won't be able to limit the violence to just robotic victims this time, will they? Real flesh-and-bone people will have to die; that's Vader's crime against Anakin's soul and against the Light Side and MUST happen.
Honestly, this one has the lowest potential for sucking, as I see it. It has the capability simply because of what part of the saga it tells to stand on its own despite the limitations of the director and his chosen boy toy, Mannequin Skywalker, or if you prefer, Whiny Angst Boy.
We'll see. I know this: I'm not paying full price to see it, and I won't be there opening weekend.
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Date: 2005-05-12 11:32 pm (UTC)As for Tom's Showgirls idea, I'm all for it, with one favor to ask...please don't let her do a "spastic dolphin" routine in the swimming pool like Liz Berkeley did. :p
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Date: 2005-05-12 04:15 pm (UTC)If perchance this new one turns out good, I will say a prayer of thanks and go. Not before. I suppose I should see the DVD of #2 first.
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Date: 2005-05-12 04:59 pm (UTC)Fire up the TiVO...
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Date: 2005-05-12 04:17 pm (UTC)I won't be there opening weekend. I'll wait until the Tuesday after it opens and catch the first showing after I get out of work, just like I usually do.
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Date: 2005-05-12 04:28 pm (UTC)You know, the one where Anakin is standing on the lip of the volcano, with mighty internal struggles over which side of the Force he needs to follow.
Just as he is reaching his conclusion (for the Good side), Jar Jar walks up behind him, and slaps him on the shoulder with a "Hi, Ani! How you be doing?"...thereby causing both of them to slip into the cone.
As they fall, Ani wraps his hands around Jar Jar's neck... "You... you... IDIOT!"
And of course, since he killed one of his best friends, his path to the Dark Side is assured.
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Date: 2005-05-12 05:00 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2005-05-12 05:50 pm (UTC)1. MacGregor has continued his growth as an actor. This seems likely.
2. The FX are as good as in the last two films. At least our eyes will not be offended.
3. The romantic subplot only takes up 20% of the film.
4. We don't get a hokey and imporbably seen with baby Luke, baby Leia, or a young Han Solo.
5. Threepio and Artoo's memories are wiped so that they really don't remember a thing when the original film begins.
6. Hayden Christiansen isn't as bad as he was in EpII.
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Date: 2005-05-12 06:19 pm (UTC)And remember how sure he was that he knew which way to go after they crash-landed on Tatooine?
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Date: 2005-05-12 06:00 pm (UTC)Basically when they smuggle Amidala off to Alderann, Anakin/Darth tortures Jar Jar to find out where they went. Jar Jar doesn't give them up, going out a hero, and all the fans get to see Jar Jar die a hideous death.
It'll never happen, but torturous death of Jar Jar is almost as much fan service as skimpy Amidala costuming.
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Date: 2005-05-12 06:14 pm (UTC)I've got a GOOD feeling about this.
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Date: 2005-05-12 06:17 pm (UTC)I also want Episodes 7, 8, & 9 to be done by Gennedy Tartakovski and the folks who made Clone Wars.
Maybe they can experiment on Jar Jar in Dexter's Labratory, or Darth Vader can have a sabre battle with Samauri Jack!
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Date: 2005-05-12 06:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-12 07:36 pm (UTC)it would make millions
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Date: 2005-05-12 07:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-12 10:29 pm (UTC)The volcano lightsaber fight. I assume it'll be there, because everything points to it, including the trailers...but.
A logical explanation for Anakin not knowing about Luke (and especially not Leia, because he gets blindsided by her status as his daughter in ROTJ)--like, Padme dies in childbirth, but Anakin is taken to believe that the (singular) child died. This also explains why he doesn't go back to his family on Tatooine...because he doesn't think Luke exists.
The Jedi to die heroically, especially Mace (and I know that's coming).
Us to get a real taste for Anakin's evil. I don't want him being at all conflicted (he's so utterly not conflicted until Luke shows up again).
Ewan to continue his metamorphosis into Alec Guiness. (One of the highlights of Episode II was Ewan as Obi. "To get a drink," indeed.)
No more sappy dialogue. (Not happening, I know...I can dream.)
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Date: 2005-05-13 12:03 am (UTC)*DUCKS* *RUNS* ;)
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Date: 2005-05-13 01:39 am (UTC)2> I'd like to see Jar Jar dead, or not in the film at all. (he did his bit in the senate). I'd like good characters. I don't really need plot, it's a friggin Star Wars movie. I'd like them not to screw with Chewbacca too much. I'd like to not watch 1 hour of video game sequences or stuffed teddy bear toys. (jar jar, pod race, etc..)
Episode 1: Jar Jar, Pod Race, 10 year old kid, too many aliens, no story.
Episode 2: Horrible horrible romantic dialouge, 30 minute video game sequence leaping through the factory. Other than that, I actually didn't hate episode 2. Some political commentary, a bit beneath the surface.
Episode 4: Very little plot, eye candy (for the time) Great characters (droids, solo, chewbacca), new ideas, fresh take on sf.
Episode 5: Monsterous plot twists (luke, I am your father..bam pow) Philosophical ideas, religion and sf combined in new ways. Tense cliffhanger ending.
Episode 6: Rehash of 1, horridly cute creatures. Rebuilding the death star, nothing new or unique.
My favorites, if you didn't guess are..
5, 4, 2, 6, 1. Of course I consider 1 one of the most overhyped worst films ever. And five (empire) one of the best. I'll be happy if this film offers more than RTOJ.
I'm sure i'll get blasted for thinking 2 is better than six, but it takes all kind right...
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Date: 2005-05-13 02:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-05-13 02:49 am (UTC)If I can remember whole bits and pieces of the movie, and not look at my watch too many times while the movie's running, then I'll be happy.
If we get treated to a scantily-clad Amidala, I'll be grinning.
If Jar Jar snuffs it, there will be Much Rejoicing.
And if Vader does a guest spot on The O'Reilly Factor and demonstrates his dark-side Jedi mind tricks on the host after Vader's been interrupted for the last time, I will stand up and cheer. Loudly.
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Date: 2005-05-14 04:25 am (UTC)I'm already happy with it, because it means there's no more SW movies... not that there's actually been a real SW movie since halfway through Return of the Jedi anyway. I ceased caring about Star Wars the very first frame of film that showed an Ewok... but it was a fun two and a half films up until that point. Haven't seen Episode I, or Alias Sith and Clones, and I have no intention of seeing the third one.
And dammit, I want a DVD of Star Wars the way I saw it in the theaters: "This is my tie fighter, and this is the box it came in!"
Not that I'm bitter.