New Toys, New Noise
Dec. 29th, 2005 05:34 amI'm having fun playing with the newest version of Band in a Box. It still is missing some of the functionality of SuperJam -- specifically, being able to easily lock down a variation that you like without editing the darn thing note by note -- but it really is getting to be useful for a lot of things. I use it extensively on The Last Hero On Earth. And, if you don't yet have BiaB, they've got a special on it for the next couple of days.
The other goodie for us MIDIholics is Native Instruments' software General MIDI instrument, Bandstand. See, the MIDI samples that come with WinXP are a cutdown version of the Roland Sound Canvas... maybe 6 MB total. The noise that came with my Audigy 2 sound card is only 4 MB (albeit a good 4 MB). Even the professional version of the Sound Canvas is only 40 MB. I've seen GM SoundFonts up to about 32 MB, and specialty SoundFonts up to about 70 MB.
Bandstand has over two gigabytes of samples. It sounds bloody fantastic.
Now, if only I can get the MOTU Symphonic Instrument sometime this spring, and if only Acid Pro updates to version 6 (I'm expecting an announcement sometime around January 16), I'll be a happy, happy man. Actually, I'm a happy, happy man anyway, but those are the music toys I want. :)
So, musician friends -- what new gear do you have/want?
The other goodie for us MIDIholics is Native Instruments' software General MIDI instrument, Bandstand. See, the MIDI samples that come with WinXP are a cutdown version of the Roland Sound Canvas... maybe 6 MB total. The noise that came with my Audigy 2 sound card is only 4 MB (albeit a good 4 MB). Even the professional version of the Sound Canvas is only 40 MB. I've seen GM SoundFonts up to about 32 MB, and specialty SoundFonts up to about 70 MB.
Bandstand has over two gigabytes of samples. It sounds bloody fantastic.
Now, if only I can get the MOTU Symphonic Instrument sometime this spring, and if only Acid Pro updates to version 6 (I'm expecting an announcement sometime around January 16), I'll be a happy, happy man. Actually, I'm a happy, happy man anyway, but those are the music toys I want. :)
So, musician friends -- what new gear do you have/want?
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Date: 2005-12-29 01:44 pm (UTC)I don't know if I am going to buy or build this rig. I just want one. I am sure that there are plenty of people out there who need transfers done.
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Date: 2005-12-29 01:59 pm (UTC)-=ShoEboX=-
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Date: 2005-12-29 02:20 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2005-12-29 08:56 pm (UTC)Now that's what I call a deal.
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Date: 2005-12-29 01:52 pm (UTC)Other than that, I really want Adobe Audition 1.5...1.0 is great, but 1.5 adds .VST plugins (FINALLY,) pitch correction, vocal extraction, and all kinds of other nifty stuff. Apparently I can upgrade for $69.00...so this is probably on my birthday list.
Incidentally, someone gave me a copy of Acid Pro so I could check it out, but I have yet to do so...what'll it do for me? And I've never used Band in a Box...does it confine you to a predefined set of samples for instruments?
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Date: 2005-12-29 01:53 pm (UTC)-=ShoEboX=-
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Date: 2005-12-29 02:19 pm (UTC)Did you try VDM?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vdmsound
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Date: 2005-12-29 02:21 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-29 02:30 pm (UTC)I used VDM to run IT on Windows 2000, and it worked pretty good.
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Date: 2005-12-29 02:30 pm (UTC)http://www.united-trackers.org/
Yeah.
Date: 2005-12-29 08:09 pm (UTC)-=ShoEboX=-
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Date: 2005-12-29 02:31 pm (UTC)The other big advantage of Acid is being able to "paint" the tracks into place. Pull the mouse across the screen with a 4-measure loop, bam! Ya got a drum track. Other programs do this, but Acid was the first and best. There are a lot of other advantages to it, but to be blunt many pros are more fond of Reason, Sonar, and/or Cubase.
Band in a Box is a different beastie, and not at all what you apparently think. It's a MIDI jammer; give it a bunch of chords and a musical style, e.g., Country, Hip-Hop, Celtic, whatever, and it creates a background track for you. If you have the Melodist or Soloist add-ons, it'll write you a melody or a solo. It'll write the MIDI file, crank out the WAV file, print the notation, the newest version uses VSTs... it's got more options than you will ever need. And the people there are very nice to deal with over the phone. That said, if you think you like it (and their demo downloads are usually at least two versions behind, although honestly that still gives you a decent idea of the program), get a Megapak rather than buying style addons individually -- you will save a ton of money. In the same vein, you can go to my site, http://www.musicmachines.net, and pick up SuperJam for free. :)
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Date: 2005-12-29 02:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-29 02:54 pm (UTC)Harold
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Date: 2005-12-29 03:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-29 03:18 pm (UTC)The hate part comes mostly from being a software development geek myself and wanting to scream at PG Music for really clumsy implementations of great ideas. Once they get a function working (sort of) they tend to forget about making it easy to use or robust...and their motto for user interface design appears to be, "who cares". The fact that their Macintosh version is about four years behind their Windows one doesn't help my mood much either. :-)
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Date: 2005-12-29 03:34 pm (UTC)stuff I want
Date: 2005-12-29 03:38 pm (UTC)Probably not this year though. The next CD will probably be mixed at a local studio once the tracks are recorded (eventually).
A good acoustic bass
And I want a pony ...
Re: stuff I want
Date: 2005-12-29 03:48 pm (UTC)Re: stuff I want
Date: 2005-12-29 03:50 pm (UTC)Time ...
Date: 2005-12-29 04:38 pm (UTC)I bought a big box of old software from a magazine journalist (and tons of samples in there and from ebay) ... I have a full legal version of Cubase SX3 ... an Akai sampler, a Yamaha SY85 synth, a Yamaha W5 synth, a couple of Casio keyboards and a couple of Midi controller keyboards (including an Oxygen8) ... plus more acoustic instruments than you can shake many sticks at ... and a few microphones and such.
... the BiaB megapak sounds wonderful (need to find out if they'll ship to the UK ... hmmm looks like they will! And fairly cheap too!!) Anyone got an old version I can upgrade from? :-)
do budding amateur musicians count?
Date: 2005-12-29 05:29 pm (UTC)and i found a neat little music store in town whose owner claims he can get most commercially-available sheet music within 24 hours. he asked my musical preferences, i asked if he was familiar with filk. he was, so i jotted down your website for him.
:-D
Absolutely, budding amateur musicians count
Date: 2005-12-30 10:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-29 09:57 pm (UTC)A few more recorders, a flute, Neil Peart's favorite drum set... ;)
All the mixing toys would be cool.
A good mic would be better.
A private studio would be bliss. :)
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Date: 2005-12-30 09:41 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-30 12:48 am (UTC)Current MIDI gear: A soundless MIDI controller (interfaces with a PC's sound card), Cakewalk Home Studio 2002, Sound Forge XP.
On the wish list (if I win the lottery): Minimoog Voyager, Kurzweil K2000 or newer, a Lintronics MIDI board so I can retrofit the old "model D" Minimoog.
And a studio to keep these in.
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Date: 2005-12-30 09:43 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2005-12-30 05:23 am (UTC)Also, your planned purchase is way above what I have a clue how to use. My current mixing board does what I need it to do except I only get one signal out. (Works great in a live environment, but not really good for an improv and portable studio.)
The other problem is that I seem to never record in the same place twice. I have recorded one friend in about 6 different locations and the only time I ever setup in the same place twice was at Philcon and the person didn't sing the first time. (I missed their one shot due to working at the art show during teardown.)
Harold S.
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Date: 2005-12-30 09:54 am (UTC)The Tascam 8-track Portastudio we recorded Plugged on was, and is, a great piece of hardware, for what it does. But it's more suited for a different kind of recording than I'm doing now.
Same thing with the Roland VS-880. Ah, if only we'd known. Cutting-edge when it came out, quaint now. Still works great, but it's hard to play with it. At least, I found it so. On the other hand, the software tools I have now encourage play, which means I make more music.
My primary tools for years now have been SuperJam, Acid, Sound Forge, and Vegas, with Band in a Box sneaking its way onto the list. Bandstand just displaced my Korg X5DR as my synth of choice. I've got Cakewalk Express; never use it. I've got DirectMusic Producer; ungodly powerful, but too cumbersome for regular use. (I'm trying to nail a streamlined process to make it act like the uber-SuperJam it can be without fifteen minutes of set-up for every damn track.) I'm sure Reason, Rewire, Sonar, and Cubase are tremendously spiff, but I'm not sure I need them for what I'm doing.
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Date: 2005-12-30 06:33 pm (UTC)I know I am nowhere near the level of techie that either you or Bill are at. I did pass along this thread (the whole topic) to someone else who is looking at recording their first CD, so hopefully they will get a bit of good advice from it. I may come back to this thread down the road for the equipment and software advice too.
Of course, it might help if I actually had a decent ear for music... (Sorry but my normal key is off. Key of R is already taken by a song and the pirates.)
Harold