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On the off-chance that anyone still considers the Bush Administration something besides a collection of nasty, incompetent, warmongering, un-American crooks and thugs, Congressman John Conyers has just released a rather vast report entitled: "The Constitution in Crisis; The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution, and Coverups in the Iraq War, and Illegal Domestic Surveillance" that documents it in unsparing detail.

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Date: 2006-08-04 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com
I can think of a few people who don't. And I can guarantee that they'll either dismiss this out-of-hand, without having read it, or start off something with "But Clinton..."

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Date: 2006-08-04 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Ah-yup. And if they do, you interrupt them and you bellow "PISS ON CLINTON! Clinton didn't do this! Bush did! It's frickin' documented and in the Congressional Record! Clinton not wanting to get caught in marital infidelity is not the same as LYING US INTO AN ILLEGAL WAR!"

Or something like that.

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Date: 2006-08-04 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com
Yes, but this will not make them listen. Just so's you know.

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Date: 2006-08-04 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palenoue.livejournal.com
So that's why the Swift Boat Vets were mobilized this morning. They're first sleaze attack should appear on Fox in a few minutes.

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Date: 2006-08-04 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
It took them THIS long to figure it out?

no

Date: 2006-08-04 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nezmaster.livejournal.com
It's in legalese. It took them this long to write it down, cover there asses, and make sure that it wouldn't hurt them in the political climate.They figured it out 5 years ago.

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Date: 2006-08-04 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devospice.livejournal.com
Interesting that the Recommendations and Conclusion section make no mention of impeachment. It's probably a political move, but it comes off as attacking a rhino with a fly swatter.

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Date: 2006-08-04 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
I did notice that. I suspect that there's really no chance of impeachment unless and until either the Dems win back both houses of Congress or the state-based movements gain traction. Sucks, though. On the other hand, there has been enough bipartisan admission of Something Seriously Wrong that the die-hard BushCo supporters have got to be worried.

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Date: 2006-08-04 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
What's the word on the state-based movements? I thought several states had passed calls for impeachment?

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Date: 2006-08-04 09:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] siliconshaman.livejournal.com
Right, finally it's offical, what we've been saying out here on the internets, [and been called crazy for our pains].

So, impeachments a bust, it won't happen no matter how hard we try. It's pretty damn certain they stole the last election, and they'll probably try to steal the next. [probably succeed to]

So, what's to do. Bitch and moan about it? They've got the system pretty well tied up by now. Britains no better, 3 parties, only Labour with any real power and influance and population that's even more apthetic, uncaring and hoodwinked than yours, with a media that's been pretty much gutted ever since they murdered that scientst over the non-existant WMD's, made it look like suicide, and then pinned the blame on the media pressure.

Lets face it, they've won. They're not worried because even with 54% of the population saying they personaly hate the government, and 75% saying they know someone freinds/relatives who also hate Bush. they know they can still do whatever the hell they want because no-one is going to stop them...

unless someone, or lots of someones do.

I dunno, maybe I'm crazy, maybe not... but I wouldn't want to be over there the day after the elections.

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Date: 2006-08-05 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darrenzieger.livejournal.com
Oh, don't worry about us over here ... even me in my perch just outside D.C. Outrage, like irony, is dead. The American people are too numb, uninformed and complacent to rise up in any great numbers or with any significant energy.

And it's not just apathy. Most of us are too busy working three jobs -- with no medical benefits from any of them -- just to get by. Who has the energy to go out and get his head bashed in by riot police, no matter how passionate one is about an issue?

I don't think that even uncontravertable proof of the Bush administration's direct involvement in 9/11 (fit me for a tin hat if you wish, but I'm convinced it was an inside job) would generate even one respectable riot.

Another stolen election? Hell, the majority of the American populace isn't aware of the thefts of 2000 and 2004. Greg Palast's magnificent reportage on the subject made the front page of the Guardian, but he can't get published in this country.

No, you won't see significant civil disobedience in the U.S. until it's too late, when gas is $7.00/gallon and the housing bubble has completely burst, taking the entire economy with it (thank you, Alan Greenspan); i.e., until the middle class has been almost completely destroyed.

The American middle class is definitely feeling the burn already, but they're too busy scrambling to make the rent/mortgage and put food on the table, too burnt out from the stress of it all, to take to the streets even if it would occur to them.

As someone who went from $100k/year and a big home in the suburbs to (for four months) homeless shelter resident a few years ago, I know from whence I speak.

You won't see a real uprising here until this process has reached its endgame and the middle class has been completely disenfranchised.

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Date: 2006-08-04 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
You do realize this is all just another example of republican incumbents trying to distance themselves from ol' Chimpy... Just so they can fall back into line like the good little duckies they are AFTER the election... Right?

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