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My local KMart has moved the Hallowe'en costumes and decorations.

You now have to pass by the display of Christmas trees to get to 'em.

Oh, yeah, Christianity is so fucking oppressed in this country.

Update: All you nice folks telling me about commercialism -- I know that. My point had to do with the combination of that with this specious, spurious bullshit. Mm-kay?

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladystarblade.livejournal.com
Oh no no no...don't even get me started...I started seeing Christmas stuff go up three weeks ago...I keep thinking of Lewis Black's rant..."You've created a monster that cannot be fed...keep grabbing more and more of the calendar for yourselves..."

I'm suddenly reminded of the big brouhaha that went on when Halloween fell on a Sunday...would somebody please remind these people that Christmas is also a holiday with pagan roots? I just happen to call it Yule.

I growl with thee.

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palenoue.livejournal.com
Careful, if you remind them of the pagan roots, they'll get you fired from your job (can't find the link here, but three people in two different states were persicuted into unemployment)

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rook543.livejournal.com
I think it is more commercialism & capitalism than christianity that is to blame here...

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Oh, absolutely. But the past few years have seen Bill O'Reilly and other wastes of biomass frothing about how there's a War On Christmas, and by extension a War On Christians, in this country, mostly based on store salespeople greeting customers with "Happy Holidays" (in a clearly misguided attempt to be inclusive and considerate) rather than "Merry Christmas". Never mind that the shitheaded Cap'n Falafel had his own "Holiday Ornament" (not "Christmas Ornament") for sale at his own web site.

Anything we've got at least two national holidays for isn't at risk.

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palenoue.livejournal.com
If the liberals weren't so anti-christian, then they'd be able to start celebrating christmas in june. Curse them all!

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gan-chan.livejournal.com
If only they would celebrate "peace on earth, good will to men" all year...

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valarltd.livejournal.com
I used to work for Hobby Lobby. We'd start getting Christmas stuff in JULY. Crafters need the time. I once needed a table-top tree in mid September (craft-fair) and found one with no trouble.

HOWEVER, the average Wal-Mart could easily start putting it out after Oct 1. Some of us do our shopping in dribs and drabs: an ornament this paycheck, a box of cards next and need the whole quarter to get it done.


All that said, I am tired of the dominant religion acting persecuted. The very minute the "Halloween is eeeeeeeeeeeeevilllllllllll!" or the "War on Christmas" comes up, I think I'll just smack someone. No more Mrs. Nice Dyke.

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Date: 2006-10-01 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
I absolutely understand crafters needing the time, especially as many who work with Christmas themes put in amazing levels of detail. My dad's got a six-tiered Christmas village with the freakin' Hogwarts Express circling it.

However, I remember that the Big Day used to be Thanksgiving. Santa would show up at the end of the parade, and that's when the Christmas season started.

At the very least, they could wait until the day after Hallowe'en.

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Oppressed??

Date: 2006-10-01 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meglimir.livejournal.com
Christianity is - commercialized - perverted - used as a self-righteous excuse for selfishness, willful ignorance, cheating, cruelty, thoughtlessness, powermongering, and other unpleasant excesses ...

OTOH for those of us who think practicing Christianity should mean behaving in such a way that the natural results of one's lifestyle are "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control" - yes, that sort of Christianity seems pretty thoroughly oppressed, repressed, and suppressed whenever possible :(

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Date: 2006-10-01 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com
Indeed. Alas, the irony.

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Date: 2006-10-01 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anneb.livejournal.com
When it comes to Kmart or just about any other chain, both Halloween and Xmas displays are neither Pagan nor Christian, they're shrines wrapped in glitter to the object of far greater worship, the almighty dollar. They just move their seasonal shrines around a bit in hopes that you find more ways to give offering, as you stumble through the aisles celebrating the great greed-fest.


Save the straw man for Guy Fawke's day. At least he's in role, then.

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Date: 2006-10-01 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
See my reply to [livejournal.com profile] rook543, above. Yeah, it's a straw man, but it's one that Those In Power keep trying to ram down our throats. Yet more fear... the fear they live in.

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Date: 2006-10-01 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] connor-campbell.livejournal.com
i was going to make a comment, but i think it all has been said here. so i'll just put in my hearty agreement.

the holidays aren't about what started them anymore. the dollar is all.

and christmas is equal pagan and christian. thanx to the competition of the two, it has become a combination of both. the idea is christian, but the date is pagan and so are many of the traditions. a christian holiday done in a pagan way. now, it is neither. just the dollar..

okay, so i did make a comment...i kept it short, though...

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Date: 2006-10-01 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
o/~
City sidewalks, busy sidewalks
Dressed in Halloween styles
But in stores there's a feeling... of Christmas!
o/~

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Date: 2006-10-01 03:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
So?

KMart SUCKS!

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Date: 2006-10-01 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rook543.livejournal.com
Good point! You're going to complain about the proximity of Haloween & Christmas merchandise, while ignoring that EVERYTHING in K-Mart is basically complete crap?

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Date: 2006-10-01 03:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jss
May I direct you[r readers] to Stan Freeberg's "Green Christmas"?

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Date: 2006-10-01 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melaniedavidson.livejournal.com
Why do you hate America Christmas? :'(


*ducks*

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Date: 2006-10-01 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hanabishirecca.livejournal.com
Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday. It is the only holiday that is not commercialized. I HATE that Christmas shit is up, not only before Thanksgiving but before Halloween as well. It makes me want to cry.

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Date: 2006-10-01 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitchkitty.livejournal.com
...

Thanksgiving isn't commercialized? Are we talking about the same Official Start of Gluttony Season, here?

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Froynlaven!

Date: 2006-10-01 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] moony

The other day I went to a craft store for some pens.

There was a wing dedicated to Christmas. And a Hannukah shelf. With, like, some blue-and-white candles and some chocolate coins in a little baggy.

If anyone needs me, I'll be here in my corner, spinning my sad little dreidel all by my lonesome.

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Date: 2006-10-01 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anneb.livejournal.com
The difference is, I suspect, that a vastly greater %age of the folks shopping in the Hannukah aisle do, in fact, consider themselves Jewish.

For a few years, I've thought there's been a bit of sanity to the Orthodox calendar celebrating Christmas on the Western Churches' Epiphany; even a week detached from the secular cacaphony would help a great deal. Face it, I'm not going to get my day of religious observance back, heck, might as well move it.

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Date: 2006-10-01 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mvt.livejournal.com
You should try what I do. In a big retail store I ask where the Ramadan
cards and ornaments are. Eid Mubarek Y'all.

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Date: 2006-10-01 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vettecat.livejournal.com
That's really disturbing...

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Date: 2006-10-01 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tomreedtoon.livejournal.com
Need I point out that, compared to Halloween, Christmas IS reduced in stature? There is more money spent on Halloween than on Christmas! If anything, the Wiccans and Goths should be ecstatic that the holiday expressing their interest is rising in stature. (Except, of course, Wiccans and Goths never get ecstatic over anything.)

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Date: 2006-10-01 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicaltrevor.livejournal.com
...er, what?

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Date: 2006-10-01 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cktraveler.livejournal.com
Admittedly, it takes a while to get ready for Christmas, but if someone's going to go the cheap route (or the eco one) and buy a fake tree at K-Mart, isn't that going to require less time to prepare for?

I suppose if the stores stock them, some people might buy them because they're suddenly reminded they need one. Then they stick it in the closet for three months. But that's as true in April as it is in October.

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Date: 2006-10-01 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunfell.livejournal.com
I noted that the Dollar General I shop in totally skipped Halloween and went straight to Christmas stuff in mid-September. The shopkeepers were not happy about it, either. They're going to have to look at that stuff for four months.

"What happened to fall?" one asked. "The buyers went straight from summer to Christmas." I wondered about that, too.

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Date: 2006-10-01 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
Christmas for KMart and other retailers isn't about Christianity - it's about COMMERCIALISM. If the uberChristians want to be upset, they shouldn't get upset about secularists who don't care about religious holidays, they should get upset about how the Market turns even religious things into a way to make a bazillion dollars (Pope John Paul II commemorative mugs, anyone?).

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Date: 2006-10-01 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vixyish.livejournal.com
I give a bye to exactly one type of establishment: fabric/craft supply stores, 'cause if you're gonna make anything for Christmas, you should really be starting work about now.

To everyone else: sheesh!

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Date: 2006-10-01 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smoooom.livejournal.com
I hate to tell you this Tom but the stores putting up displays of christmas/halloween/easter/valentinesday/whatever has NOTHING to do with religion. It has to do with making money. Nothing more.

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Date: 2006-10-01 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purpleranger.livejournal.com
The stores have to get all the Christmas stuff out now, Tom. They need to sell all the Christmas stuff by December 20, so they can start putting out the Valentine's Day merchandise.

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Date: 2006-10-02 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tomreedtoon.livejournal.com
There's another reason for it. The merchants know that people are hurting economically. Trying to make them spend a whole lot on Christmas stuff in the traditional season (a day or two before Thanksgiving up to December 24) is near impossible. Give the public time to spend slowly and the public won't hurt so bad.

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Date: 2006-10-01 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ifics.livejournal.com
Christmas is not a Christian Holiday. No where in the Bible does God command us to celebrate Christmas. It is a man made holiday. As far as I have read, our current way of celebrating Christmas comes from the Victorian Days. Before that Christmas was banned in some parts of the country.

I have always viewed the war on Christmas more as a war on culture. It has more to do with tradition than religion. Sorta like the French baning American or English words.

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Date: 2006-10-02 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avt-tor.livejournal.com
Well and I think of "Christmas" as "Yule", maybe with a bit of "Saturnalia" thrown in. The fact that it is called "Christmas" is merely an artifact of the English language coming into existence after Christianity itself became dominant in western Europe.

I'm happy to say "Merry Christmas" to anybody, but it offends me when Christians act like they invented it.

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Date: 2006-10-02 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avt-tor.livejournal.com
Inclusion is not oppression. Only fascists are threatened by diversity.

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