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Date: 2006-12-01 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fair-witness.livejournal.com
Yet another example of the Bush administration version of less government interference with our daily lives.

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kshandra
Mark usually does. (I have a Morford tag in my journal.)

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
Dictates like these get me thinking that perhaps the problem is that ultra-conservatives aren't getting laid nearly often enough.

This brings icky mental images into my head.

But is there really any other reason why they'd be so obsessed with making sure the rest of us aren't getting any, or seeing any, or even THINKING about the subject? Other than sheer jealousy, I mean.

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:35 pm (UTC)
batyatoon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] batyatoon
Because they think it's wrong. Because they've been taught it's wrong, and they've internalized it.

There's no reason to assume jealousy, or a lack of sufficient sex in their own lives. It's just that simple. They think it's wrong.

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Indeed. There is a vast quantity of history and cultural indoctrination to overcome -- literally hundreds of years of thinking that anything that distracted you from thoughts of God was evil. There's a whole lot of guilt and shame mixed in there as well.

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
Dratted sar-chasm . . .

Mind the gap. I HAD meant that to come across as pithy and sarcastic, but it sounded a lot funnier in my head.

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:59 pm (UTC)
batyatoon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] batyatoon
I might have caught that if it hadn't been for the fact that Morford seems to think quite sincerely that it's all about the conservatives' own sexual repression/dysfunction. And that if they'd all just get laid more, they wouldn't be so obsessed with running our sex lives.

Which is ... about as useful as a serial killer insisting that if we'd all just loosen up and experience the fun of murdering people and eating their brains, we wouldn't have all these uptight rules against it.
Unnecessary disclaimer: I am not actually equating murdering people and eating their brains with having premarital sex.

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
Heh. Gotcha. I would by lying if I said I never corrected someone for joking about a pet peeve of mine.

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:28 pm (UTC)
batyatoon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] batyatoon
(I'm a bit embarrassed that I truly didn't get you were joking. I do have a sense of humor! Honest I do!)

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
Well, then, we're even. I'm embarrassed to be taken seriously for saying something so dumb. ^ v ^

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Mmmm... zombie Singles' Night.

Good Ghu, that may be a song. :)

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:26 pm (UTC)
batyatoon: (littleme)
From: [personal profile] batyatoon
... Really?

I would be delighted. And appreciative. Very appreciative. There could be cookies.

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] markbernstein.livejournal.com
< a href="http://www.voltaire.net/">Voltaire has a rather disgusting song called "Zombie Prostitute".

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:33 pm (UTC)
ext_18496: Me at work circa 2007 (Default)
From: [identity profile] thatcrazycajun.livejournal.com
"The most preposterous notion that homo sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not recieve this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

"The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful."
- Lazarus Long, "Time Enough for Love", by Robert Heinlein

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Date: 2006-12-03 02:58 am (UTC)

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lothie.livejournal.com
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAWTF?????????!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Date: 2006-12-01 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unclelumpy.livejournal.com
It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
...
...
...
Ah, what the Hell? I'll laugh anyway!

HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
And to think, this means we're not seeing any federal funds for Global Orgasm Day (caveat: site plays unrequested music) :-)

[Ed. note: I'm not at all convinced that there's any benefit to G.O.D. -- but I bet it's about a million orders of magnitude healthier than the crap Morford talks about.]

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
As Allan Sherman said, "Orgasm, even when it's bad, is pretty good."

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Sherman) Allan Sherman? He said that?

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Ahhhh. Thou hast never read The Rape of the A*P*E. Yeah, that Allan Sherman, who wrote one of the best, funniest, and most heartfelt manifestos on being a human in general and the American sexual revolution in particular. It's also the book where he came up with the Seven Pleasures, which I think do sum things up nicely: Eat, Drink, Shit, Piss, Sleep, Fuck, Play.

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alicetheowl.livejournal.com
I have not. I merely listened to most of his records as a child, because my father owned them and they were funny.

I'm going to have to track that down.

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Beats the hell out of card games! :-)

Knee-jerk reaction (as usual)

Date: 2006-12-01 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledcritter.livejournal.com
If you read the linked USA Today article, you'll note this is in specific reaction to the report released last week showing that single/unwed motherhood is up dramatically - and NOT via teenage pregnancy, but by adult women 19-29. The administration does NOT like that, as it must mean that *gasp* ADULTS who know exactly what they are doing are having sex outside of marriage, and we know this must not be allowed!

Doesn't anyone up there know that there's an increased risk for pregnancies over the age of 35 (http://www.webmd.com/content/article/51/40823.htm) along with an increased risk for getting diabetes and high blood pressure in pregnancies over the age of 30. I guess this means that essentially the "pro-lifers" would rather the woman have a medium- or high-risk pregnancy, potentially endangering the mother AND the child rather than have sex (and subsequent children :) ) during their PRIME childbearing years. Bit of a contradiction, there huh?

Can anyone else here can see how short a step it can be from pushing this to a trying to establish a full-blown eugenics program? They obviously want (and have always wanted, really) to control what goes on in the bedroom. Ostensibly it's because it's "immoral" or "sinful" or "not good for the child" or whatever, but (at least at the top level) I'm not so sure any of those are the real reasons - and trying to control who does what with who (and the subsequent progeny) would be the next logical step...

Re: Knee-jerk reaction (as usual)

Date: 2006-12-03 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfger.livejournal.com
Doesn't anyone up there know that there's an increased risk for pregnancies over the age of 35 along with an increased risk for getting diabetes and high blood pressure in pregnancies over the age of 30.

What? You been listnin' to dem dadgum signtists again? That's just a bunch of nonsense, like global warming and evil-lution.

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Date: 2006-12-01 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
I don't usually blogwhore in your space, but please see my latest post, because it's got all the links on the subject of abstinence. Not only the "just because you're an adult doesn't mean you get to make THOSE kind of decisions!" abstinence linked to above, but a Republican Congresscritter going on record saying "Uh, that abstinence thing for HIV in Africa? Not only not working, but making everyone's jobs harder, so we have to knock it off" and the media flurry - in England, because we don't talk about such things - about the study that shows that using condoms properly drops the teen birthrate at a quantumly-higher rate than abstinence.

The abstinence people want us all to keep our knees together and be ignorant... but people will keep doing those pesky scientific studies and comparisons...

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daundelyon.livejournal.com
Slightly random note, but it's interesting to note that Chimpy's dad was 22 and mom was 21 when Chimpy was born. One has to wonder how different things might have been if they'd waited.

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redaxe.livejournal.com
Yeah. Good idea. Till, say, forever. :-)

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Date: 2006-12-02 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daundelyon.livejournal.com
I'm not one for meddling with the time stream, normally, but that sounds like a good reason to fire up the ol' time machine. Or at least call in the Chrono Guard.

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Not random at all. Remember? IOKIYAR.

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Date: 2006-12-02 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daundelyon.livejournal.com
Except I'm not. I have this pesky thing called a mind that prevents me from blindly following idiots off the edge of a cliff. ~_^

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Date: 2006-12-02 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
No, no. :) My point was that it's okay for them to do it, see, 'cause they're on The Correct Team. But normal shlubs like us, nah, we're moral cripples and have to be shown the Light.

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Date: 2006-12-03 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daundelyon.livejournal.com
Ah, ok, now I understand.:)
*shudders* If ever I can be considered normal by the Shrub's standards, I hope someone puts me out of my misery.

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenesue.livejournal.com
Epidemiologically speaking, all STD's could be wiped out within a generation if we could control our sex urges. Millenia of evolution of humans and germs have proven that this won't happen. Their kind of thinking is just bad sociology as well as bad medicine. Not even the most rabid control freaks can control everything. Every time they make a bad decision, Mother Nature will just laugh and bring on a new virus or a hurricane, SURPRISE!

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigertoy.livejournal.com
I'm sorry. It's not funny, it's pathetically stupid. It's fine to laugh at a stupid idea when it's something new that someone is testing out, but when it's the core of government policy, you need to take it deadly seriously. Making an idea a joke is a good way to stop people from adopting it in the first place, but once they're committed to it, it makes them angry and defensive and less willing than ever to recognize that it was a mistake.

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Date: 2006-12-01 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
It's funny because it's pathetically stupid. They actually think there's a snowball's chance in the Bahamas that they can convince people to Just Not Have Sex. We don't have to "make it a joke" -- it's a joke from the start, and yet another example of how BushCo has no connection to reality.

So, you're thinking that once they start trying to enforce it it's not going to be funny anymore? Maybe, if only because I guarantee to you nothing will start an armed revolution quicker than telling people it's against the law to fuck.

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Date: 2006-12-01 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigertoy.livejournal.com
It's not a joke. Just because people won't actually follow their doctrine doesn't mean that basing policy on it is harmless. When they conflate any real sex education with the message that what they really want you to learn is to not do it, they make people tune out on all of the information, even the parts that they would be much better off following that they'd be willing to follow if it weren't lost in the stupid. Not talking about condoms because abstinence is better is the kind of stupid we call laughable, but it's not funny because it's not harmless. Kind of like basing our Iraq plans on the assumption that we'd be welcomed with flowers was laughably stupid, except that they actually DID it and look where we are now. Just because a plan has no chance of achieving the intended effect does not mean it won't have any effects at all.

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Date: 2006-12-02 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkertom.livejournal.com
Slight difference -- in that case, they actually had, y'know, control of the military and things like that. In this case, they have to preach ignoring one of the single most powerful instincts the species has, one person at a time. And, honestly, if that's what they're advocating, why should anyone take them seriously about anything? Their information is shoddy. They are out of touch with reality. And people will get information from more reliable and realistic sources, or not, and you can't do anything about that except get the current regime out of power. Which we are trying to do.

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Date: 2006-12-01 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mstrhypno.livejournal.com
They are not Neo-Cons, they are Neo-Con Artists!

But worse, they have now PROVEN that they have NOT honored the separation of Church and State with this "doctrine," but have, instead, tried to instigate a new religious force into the American Way of Life - Neo-Shakerism!

That's right, My Fellow Americans - Thou Shall Not Screw (that's for the Government to do FOR you and TO you!) until you are over 30 (which puts you at SIGNIFICANTLY higher risk of having children who will have birth defects, learning disabilities and who will have parents in their 50's when they hit COLLEGE - IF they LIVE that long! (Pass the duct tape and sheet plastic, please!)

Surprise, surprise, Sergeant Carter! Ol' Gomer Bush has gone and done it agin!

He's proven that cousins should NOT marry, that religious idealogues should not make public policy speeches and public policy on our pubes!

What next? Mandatory salt peter in every pot?

I wouldn't put it past him!

"Land of the Free," my ass. It's becoming the "Land of Do What They Tell Us To Do and Don't Ask Questions About It - Because, If You Do, You'll Wind Up In GitMo!"

Sarcastic-Lee

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Date: 2006-12-02 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daundelyon.livejournal.com
Except the Shakers didn't try to force their belief system on the entire country.

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Date: 2006-12-03 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mstrhypno.livejournal.com
I know! That's WHY they are Neo-CON ARTISTS! They are trying to pass this pseudo-Shakerism off as being "in the national interest!"

If that isn't a con (in every sense of the word!), then I don't know WHAT is - and, as a professional magician, I am pretty sure that I am familiar enough with the long con, the short con and the REPUBLI-CON to be able to call one when I see one!

;)

Lee

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Date: 2006-12-03 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daundelyon.livejournal.com
*finishes giggling at the pun*
Thank you for the clarification. ^_^ Just another sign of how fried my synapses are at the moment.

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Date: 2006-12-01 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aulayan.livejournal.com
This isn't evil.

It's idiocy and governmental waste. Now if they were to make unmarried sexual relations illegal, that'd be evil.

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Date: 2006-12-03 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mstrhypno.livejournal.com
That's the next step - or can't you see that one heading down the pike at warp factor 6?

;)

Lee

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Date: 2006-12-01 10:09 pm (UTC)
jenrose: (yucky)
From: [personal profile] jenrose
You know, if you only boink gay prostitutes, you can't get them pregnant.

:/

This is like a war on me... I had my kid at age 21 (rather than get an abortion, and me a liberal democrat, fancy that!) and then proceeded to not have sex for years in order to not get pregnant again as a single parent. But you know what? The reason I wasn't having sex was because at that point, there were NO viable birth control methods I wasn't allergic to or would die from (I get clots on birth control pills.)

Now there's Mirena. If there had been Mirena when I was 22, you can darn well *bet* I would have had more sex. Lots more.

They just need to get laid. I'd say they needed to get laid badly, but I really think they need to get laid *very well* so they can just quit having sour grapes about this whole sex thing.

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Date: 2006-12-01 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonscholar.livejournal.com
I honestly think it comes down to this - they Do Not Care.

It's all patronage, cronyism, pandering, ideologues, and stuffing your pockets with government money. The Bush administration has NOTHING to do with what is good for America (unless pandering to a few people gets them votes). There's absolutely no connection to anything good for 99.9% of the population.

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Date: 2006-12-02 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] palenoue.livejournal.com
This is true. I just searched for the two articles I remember, but couldn't find them, but they looked into who was getting most of the abstinance money and... Surprise! Surprise! It's big supporters of Bush and republicans. Talk about a return on your investment! For every $1,000 they contributed to the GOP, they got over $20,000 in federal grants.

Even if the Dems hold hearings on just the top 5% abuses of power by the GOP, they'll be too busy for the next two years to do anything else.

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Date: 2006-12-02 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mouser.livejournal.com
Actually, I was wondering where I heard this before, then I realized:

It's a line from a sitcom!

The daughter asks when she can date, the dad says "When you're 30!" *insert laughtrack*


Junior is trying to keep his daughters (best known for having fake I.D.s with the Secret Service around) from bed hopping!

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